MLG GoW Rule Change Request

[UNLE4SH]

Before I begin, I would like to say thank you for adding Gears of War. This is just a request. I am not complaining to MLG in any way at all, I am just making a suggestion.

I was reading through the rules and I noticed that they changed the ruling of the rounds from 5 to 3. I believe this should be changed back to five for multiple reasons.

I have been playing GoW competitively since the very first day the game came out on GameBattles. After thousands of matches played I think I am safe to say that five rounds is much better than three.

First off, Gears of War is a big game of come-backs. There is a great strategic side of the game where people adapt to their opponents strategies when they are losing 3-0 and 3-1 and easily come back to win it 5-3 due to the adaptation. With 3 rounds, it is almost impossible to adapt and come back because by the time you change up the strat it is already over.

Also, with such a fast paced game like Gears of War three rounds would end in no time. On most maps (5/7 of them), the round ends in three minutes or less, and sometimes even a minute (maps like Mansion, and Clocktower can sometimes be fast as well). This wouldn't be very exciting to watch since it ended in three rounds so fast. Also, like I said earlier, it wouldn't be really fun to watch due to the fact that there won't be much room for comebacks.

You may think that 5 rounds takes way too long, but it really doesn't. Like I said, I have been playing this game competitively for 6 months and there hasn't been one map I have ever played that has taken over 50 minutes. Maps usually end in 20-30 minutes, which is about the same or even less than Halo 2 and RB6V.

Please consider a rule change even though it is only three weeks prior to the event. It would make the game much more intense and would attract a much larger crowd with the close comebacks.

Post here with agreement or disagreement, and post why.

-vVv Fallout

[Sarillo]

I personally agree with changing this rule also. I have been playing matches since day 1 and 5 rounds is a better fit for this game in my opinion. 5 rounds will not make the matches that much longer than 3 rounds and would make it that much more competitive at Meadowlands. Please consider changing this to 5 rounds. Thanks MLG for picking this awesome game up.

[hotdog]

I agree with this rule change.

[Devastator]

agreed...First to 5 rounds is much better than 3 for competitive play

[cLaSsiX]

I agree with the rule change. The 5 round setup does make the game more intense, and give a team a better chance for a comeback.

But I also guess that MLG has changed it to 5 because of time.

with RB6 and GoW on the 360's now, they are probably trying to cram as much as possible.

Thnks for the petition Fallout.

[I S t O n E s I]

agreeed good point fallout

[UNLE4SH]

Well, Classix, as Sarillo said this only make gameplay at least 10 minutes longer, if not even less. Each 5 round match is usually 25 minutes (usually less, sometimes more).

Thanks for the support guys. Hopefully MLG will look at this and respond to what their competitors want. It's a change for the best.

[G3N371X]

I would suggest lowering the time limit of rounds to 3 minutes if MLG is worried about draws. Occasionally there will be times when it ends up 1vs1 and neither team will want to blow a round so draws WILL happen. But by lowering the time limit to 3 minutes, it decreases the time of these draws if they do occur. I can understand a first to 3 rounds for the Open bracket, but for the Pro/Championship bracket - a first to 5 rounds is a must.

[UNLE4SH]

I would suggest lowering the time limit of rounds to 3 minutes if MLG is worried about draws. Occasionally there will be times when it ends up 1vs1 and neither team will want to blow a round so draws WILL happen. But by lowering the time limit to 3 minutes, it decreases the time of these draws if they do occur. I can understand a first to 3 rounds for the Open bracket, but for the Pro/Championship bracket - a first to 5 rounds is a must.Well, even first to three rounds for the Open Bracket isn't too good of an idea because average teams can get lucky and win three rounds, knocking a very good team out and messing the whole competition up.

If they changed the round time, I think it should be four minutes instead of three. Three is too short and doesn't leave time for maps like Clocktower where you can have very long battles up top. Four seems good.

Another option is that MLG can just lengthen the game-time for GoW on Saturday. Make it end around 6:00 instead of 4:30. Just an option, but the round number rule needs to be changed back to five.

[Phoenix2005]

I concur.

I also agree (for the first time) with Genetix. I think that 5 - 3 minute rounds would shorten it up enough to get what needs to be done accomplished.

But regardless of Open or Championship Bracket, I can't understand it being anything other than the usual 5 rounds.

[spazzBEAST]

i believe the rules said the open area is first to 3.

[Skyllus]

All depends on how many matches MLG can get going at once. I'll use eBash for reference, since as far as I know that is the only LAN which has had 32 teams of 4 competiting. At the last event, they had:

32 TVs and 360's running 4 matches at a time, everyone with their own screen.

With a 32 team double elimination bracket, and the 4 matches going at a time (for MLG to achieve this in open play they would only need 16 TV's going at a time, due to having us play split screen ( :( )), the tournament started around 11:30 and was done at 8:30 PM EST.

This was done running Best of 3 Maps, First to 5 Rounds.

It also consisted of a lot less experienced teams, and as such, I believe the chances of matches to go to 3 maps was lessened because one team tends to rise to the top rather quickly.

This was the 3rd GoW tournament eBash had run, so they had a lot of experience running things and actually had a ref spectating every match to keep things going smoothly.

I'm not sure how many resources MLG is dedicating to Gears, but that can be used as a good marker of how quickly/slowly these events can go.

I really hope that further down the line we can avoid split screen as much as possible at future events.

[G3N371X]

Split screening is frustrating on Gears, but whatever has to be done.

[Phoenix2005]

Split screening is a pain, but I'd take first to 5 rounds over getting a full screen...

[dan91bauer]

I think in the OPEN round, we should be playing the 3 rounds, 3 games thing.

Then once you make it to the pro bracket, it should be 5 rounds, 5 games, first to win 3 advances.

[cowboy01]

agreed

[Hanyai]

First Priority - Full Screen
Second Priority - 5 Rounds

Both would be GREAT.

Since Gears has been played competitively (even in MLG online) it has been first to 5 rounds.

This is such a streaky game and its easy for a team to go down 3 rounds and win 5-4 or 5-3..

[Sarillo]

It has been 5 rounds in the online tournaments as Hanyai said.
It should really be changed to 5 rounds for Meadowlands.
Split-screen is something you have to deal with.

[Sewpraa]

i wud def play 5 rounds over split screenin

[Sh0tZ_FiReD]

5 rounds no split its just gives me a headace......

[Blaze..]

5 rounds is a must just drop the time limit

[CK from tha 951]

agreed. great thread, i enjoyed it

[nexy]

For Meadowlands we will be using 3 rounds.

Open bracket matches must only run 30 minutes or so. We find that with 3 rounds, 3 maps, 5 minutes this works well (take into account the time it takes to make profiles/host/join).

If we lower the time to 3 minutes we find find that teams are more prone to tie on the larger maps.

Thanks for the feedback, changes can be made for later events if we feel necessary.

[[GunRanger]]

is the best of 3 only for the open?and best of 5 for pro? i so they do that for halo also its not that big of a deal.

[nexy]

']is the best of 3 only for the open?and best of 5 for pro? i so they do that for halo also its not that big of a deal.

open bracket: first to 3 rounds, best of 3 maps.
championship bracket: first to 3 rounds, best of 5 maps.

[[GunRanger]]

that doesnt sound that bad.

[Dante]

Sounds terrible IMO. 3 rounds is not enough for a map.

I can't count the amount of times we have been down 3-1 or 3-0 and came back to win the map.

Gears is all about countering strats, and most of the time they can't be countered during the round, you just adjust the strat before the next round starts. I really hope MLG changes this

[nexy]

Again-

Open bracket matches must only run 30 minutes or so. We find that with 3 rounds, 3 maps, 5 minutes this works well (take into account the time it takes to make profiles/host/join).

If we lower the time to 3 minutes we find find that teams are more prone to tie on the larger maps.

Thanks for the feedback, changes can be made for later events if we feel necessary.[/QUOTE]

[Devastator]

Again-

Open bracket matches must only run 30 minutes or so. We find that with 3 rounds, 3 maps, 5 minutes this works well (take into account the time it takes to make profiles/host/join).

If we lower the time to 3 minutes we find find that teams are more prone to tie on the larger maps.

Thanks for the feedback, changes can be made for later events if we feel necessary.[/QUOTE]


I can completely understand 3 rounds for open bracket because of time, please re-think 3 rounds for the championship bracket honestly the best team won't win with 3, it should be 5.

[cjw_evolved]

I agree 5>3.

[cLaSsiX]

I agree with Dev, the open bracket is understandable with the the 3 rounds because of time, but for the championship bracket you should be focused on making sure the best team wins.

If there is not enough time for the championship bracket to have 5 rounds, then oh well, change it at Dallas. But if there is any way possible, make it 5 rounds for the sake of making it as competitive as possible.

[[GunRanger]]

Again-

Open bracket matches must only run 30 minutes or so. We find that with 3 rounds, 3 maps, 5 minutes this works well (take into account the time it takes to make profiles/host/join).

If we lower the time to 3 minutes we find find that teams are more prone to tie on the larger maps.

Thanks for the feedback, changes can be made for later events if we feel necessary.[/QUOTE]
I misread for the open i think 3 rounds is good enough but for pro i think 5 should be used, but it may be due to time restraints.

[UNLE4SH]

Maps normally take 30 minutes with five rounds. Three rounds will end in 15-20 minutes. Trust us on this one, we have been playing competitively much longer than anyone on the MLG Staff.

[V Nam]

Maps normally take 30 minutes with five rounds. Three rounds will end in 15-20 minutes. Trust us on this one, we have been playing competitively much longer than anyone on the MLG Staff.

WTF? Rooftops and Tyro aren't allowed in MLG:???:

5 rounds lasts a max of 15 minutes

I have never played 5 rounds that lasted over 20 minutes

[ManTrain]

Sounds terrible IMO. 3 rounds is not enough for a map.

I can't count the amount of times we have been down 3-1 or 3-0 and came back to win the map.

Gears is all about countering strats, and most of the time they can't be countered during the round, you just adjust the strat before the next round starts. I really hope MLG changes this


If you were down 3-0 or 3-1 in a best of five series... you lost the series. It's not that hard to understand.

[nexy]

Maps normally take 30 minutes with five rounds. Three rounds will end in 15-20 minutes. Trust us on this one, we have been playing competitively much longer than anyone on the MLG Staff.

You have not been playing competitively longer than anyone on MLG staff, that goes for this game as well.

Maps take 30 minutes with 5 rounds, so how long will a best of 3/5 series take? C'mon now don't act like you haven't played in a 2 hour series before. Imagine how people are going to play for this much money on the line.

Open bracket games should take 30 minutes total. Championship bracket games should take 1 hour total. Using 3 rounds we will be on the safe side and will not run over. If it is proved to be too short then the rounds will be changed for the next event.

[dan91bauer]

You have not been playing competitively longer than anyone on MLG staff, that goes for this game as well.

Maps take 30 minutes with 5 rounds, so how long will a best of 3/5 series take? C'mon now don't act like you haven't played in a 2 hour series before. Imagine how people are going to play for this much money on the line.

Open bracket games should take 30 minutes total. Championship bracket games should take 1 hour total. Using 3 rounds we will be on the safe side and will not run over. If it is proved to be too short then the rounds will be changed for the next event.


I agree and I understand now.

You can bet money that if the map was Mansion and it was a 3v2, and I was down two guys, we're not rushing or attacking anyone, we're gonna go for a draw. I don't care how noobie or how cheap that is, money is on the line and everyone else is going to be doing that too. Draws on specific maps can take forever.

[Dante]

I agree and I understand now.

You can bet money that if the map was Mansion and it was a 3v2, and I was down two guys, we're not rushing or attacking anyone, we're gonna go for a draw. I don't care how noobie or how cheap that is, money is on the line and everyone else is going to be doing that too. Draws on specific maps can take forever.
What? At most that situation will take 1 minute to end. The team with 3 alive will wait for a boom to respawn, most likely 30-35 seconds. Then find where the 2 guys are, and kill them.

[Dante]

If you were down 3-0 or 3-1 in a best of five series... you lost the series. It's not that hard to understand.
I'll explain this for the Halo player.

Gears of War has something called ROUNDS. And being down 3-1 or 3-0 in ROUNDS one 1 map would not cause you to lose a Best of 5 MAPS series.

It's not that hard to understand.

[Phoenix2005]

If you were down 3-0 or 3-1 in a best of five series... you lost the series. It's not that hard to understand.

I don't know how to tell you, but you are TOTALLY wrong.

Dante is right. If you get down 3-0, it means nothing at all. And even if you do lose that map, you aren't even close to losing a series because you head to your host (in a bo3) and take that map, and then it's all even again.

[dan91bauer]

WTF? Rooftops and Tyro aren't allowed in MLG:???:

5 rounds lasts a max of 15 minutes

I have never played 5 rounds that lasted over 20 minutes

Those two maps are the worst maps in the game. Just cause the noobie CAL admins like them doesn't mean it's uber fit for competition.

[Clap]

Maps normally take 30 minutes with five rounds. Three rounds will end in 15-20 minutes. Trust us on this one, we have been playing competitively much longer than anyone on the MLG Staff.


After 5 years of running the world's largest console LAN tournaments, I can safely say that I have forgotten more about their coordination than you will ever know. Not only do we have a roster of game testers that have more competitive gaming experience than most anyone on this forum, we run the events. How many tournaments have you run again?

When you can manage 2000 competitors across 224 Televisions, then you can come back and talk. Until then, learn some respect.

[cLaSsiX]

After 5 years of running the world's largest console LAN tournaments, I can safely say that I have forgotten more about their coordination than you will ever know. Not only do we have a roster of game testers that have more competitive gaming experience than most anyone on this forum, we run the events. How many tournaments have you run again?

When you can manage 2000 competitors across 224 Televisions, then you can come back and talk. Until then, learn some respect.


ouch. unleash, i think he pretty much sat you down, are you just gonna sit there and take that? lol

I understand what ur sayin Clap. *agrees with Clap*

[Dante]

After 5 years of running the world's largest console LAN tournaments, I can safely say that I have forgotten more about their coordination than you will ever know. Not only do we have a roster of game testers that have more competitive gaming experience than most anyone on this forum, we run the events. How many tournaments have you run again?

When you can manage 2000 competitors across 224 Televisions, then you can come back and talk. Until then, learn some respect.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but MLG doesn't have any experience running games that use a Round based scoring system.

Also, have you been testing GoW using players that know what they are doing? There's a huge difference in strategies and tactics between top teams and 4 guys that aren't.

[Clap]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but MLG doesn't have any experience running games that use a Round based scoring system.

Also, have you been testing GoW using players that know what they are doing? There's a huge difference in strategies and tactics between top teams and 4 guys that aren't.


You have to be kidding right? So round based scoring is so revolutionary that we can not understand it? Lol?

Rest assured that we are testing what we are doing with top players.

[MLG Puckett]

I don't know if you forum kids noticed...but its kinda our job to make sure we run these things right.




STOP BEING Negative Nancys, Pouty Pattys and ofcourse Sour Sallies.


Gears kids whine more than ____________. Boss said I couldnt fill in the blank...:(

[-DangerMouse-]

Sheesh...

And you Gears kids wondered why MLG took so long to pick up your game... You have been whining, complaining, or (in this case) making outrageous requests since the game was released... Seriously, you guys are worse than the 04 Tekken kids...


JihaD

[CodeRed]

What Crabby Carols all these kids are.

[Skyllus]

If you look over the thread and the other one where Gears players are accused of being hostile towards MLG, you'll note that it is only the ignorant comments of 3-4 people which are being pinpointed and prodded at.

I do believe the Gears community, as a whole, consists of a lot more cockiness and egos than any other competitive console communities (and this is something which, I feel, will need to go at some point). But, on the whole, I wouldn't say that the majority of it consists of ignorant people. I'm not even sure who "UNLE4SH" is but he certainly didn't give much thought into his posts, especially given that he's arguing that first to 5 rounds takes 30 minutes generally, whilst saying MLG doesn't know anything.

A handful of people does not translate into a whole community, especially not the GoW community which is quite large itself. You can't pick apart an ignorant comment someone makes and say that the entire community is ignorant.

Of course, actions speak louder than words and I do hope the Gears of War community both impresses with their play and with their actions at the Meadowlands event.