Halo 3 will be 50x the game Halo 2 is.

[KRAAAAAAAAAYZIE]

There is no doubt in my mind that if Halo 2 can hold its own on the pro circuit the way it plays, then Halo 3 will have absolutley no problem what so ever as a pro circuit game.

You have to understand with the customization that Bungie is giving the community with the maps (spawn points, weapon placement, object placement, etc.) that there should be almost no problem making almost any map fit for the competitive scene.

I think one of the greatest things that is going to be available to us is the use of Bungie.net to download gametypes/map variants from other users. When MLG would create the gametypes/map variants for a tournament, all they do is add them to a fileshare on one of their gamertags (MLG Gametypes, or something), and all anyone has to do to download them is go to Bungie.net, check them off, and when they sign on, they begin to download. Perfect.

MLG Live (or VoD) will be able to maintain a record of every single game played at a tournament if they store them all on memory cards at each station and record them later. Saved films will allow for us to bassicaly view any game ever played at a Halo 3 MLG tournament. Referring back to the fileshare, MLG can share videos of the championship games up on their fileshare as well. Perfect.

Also, don't forget the new found ability to create your own powerups in forge. This makes for even MORE customization inside the game. A speed powerup, a gravity powerup, a damage powerup; anything powerup. MLG can craft this game to ****ing play however they want.

You can change how many nades you start with, the max you can hold, your speed, bassicaly everything needed that can help make Halo perfect.

Halo 3 as an MLG game is going to be huge. You can't have a doubt in your mind that it won't make it to the pro circuit. It will be so much better than Halo 2 and I cannot ****ing wait.

[TWISTED-BULLET]

I'm not saying that Halo 3 won't have the features to make any map more balanced for MLG type play, but I do have my doubts about the maps. So far from what I've seen you can't flaw the ideas and the rediculous number of customizable features that H3 has, but I still haven't seen an MLG type map yet. All maps that I've seen so far are all big, the new lockout in my mind is huge, and the fact that we have a ton of corridors isn't exactly good news for competitive play. I'm not actually saying that the maps are bad, I'm just saying that they don't appear to competitive at all, and that the maps seems to be the weakest thing in H3 for MLG.

Valhalla, Snowbound and Highground, the 2 big maps were pretty good BTB maps in my opinion, one thing I liked about Valhalla is the map had the ability to section off clusters of skirmish's. Unlike a halo 2 map named coagulation which for the entire game you were basically fighting to take control of the middle of the map or the gameplay just feels very linea. In H3 there are much more places to hide and get cover in big maps, and I think BTB will actually be really good this time (Put on Noob/Flame suit).

So H3 is gonna work out great for some players, and its going to be very enjoyable, MLG on the other hand might end up saying, "Snowbound, the map is terrible for MLG but I think with correct balacing we can make it work for competitive play".

For Halo 3 to really take the crown; Bungie need to release a Fully Featured Map Creators Pack, MLG could employ a team to work excusively making maps for competitive play.

Hopefully when I play H3 I'll say, "I was wrong these maps are great, it really is the best game I've ever played", but at the minute I haven't seen one map that says MLG.


Halo players had alot to ***** about with halo 2 just released with PP combo's and sense of the word control, this made alot of players pack there bags and leave. In 2007 we see a completely different game of competitive halo 2 being played, and MLG are using maps and gametypes that I would consider the best halo 2 can offer. After all the *****ing about halo 2 I actually think it's an incredible competitive shooter, and anyone claiming that the game doesn't have individual skill is obviously naive.

Halo was an instant competitive classic. halo 2 had huge teething problems with massive balance errors, but but halo 2 is also a classic competitive shooter also. We've had to go through alot of pain with halo 2 yes, but it's still a great multiplayer title.

H3, we'll wait and see.

[WMDistraction]

I don't think they've even revealed half the maps, and last time they did H2 coverage--before the release--I think only one map they showed us ended up being on the pro circuit.

[WMDistraction]

Double. o_O

[IIHereticII]

I love how people like Twisted Bullet, or w/e his name is, spent their entire time with Halo 2 *****ing about it not being Halo 1, and are already *****ing about Halo 3 not being like Halo 2 or 1. I'm not saying you did that Twisted, but a hell of alot of people did and are. I don't know if you have noticed or not kiddies, but your opinions on these forums are usually not backed by any intelligent thinking and the fact that you (seem to be) so passionate that your "great and flawless" opinion on competition is heard really surprises me sense it isn't you that are pulling home any serious cash from any tournies. Pros are pros because they play because they love the game and because they can adapt and hone their skills. The majority of the time it would seem the Halo community here does either. I'm not trying to talk down to anyone, because God knows my skills arn't on par with anyone with Pro status, but I am trying to give the Halo community a wake-up slap so I can tell them to get their heads out of their asses. As a whole this community is insanely ignorant and really needs to get off these forums and practise some H2 till H3, or be patient and play the game before *****ing about every map and weapon you see. Almost every negative comment I have seen in the Gameroom or on forums can be disected and make the poster look like an ass, but the problem is that since the majority of this comunity are also asses it is overlooked and often agreed upon by his fellow ass gangs.

I'm not going to go into any details to explain anything else, but...
IN SHORT:
Play the game
then *****
then watch real pros get the money
then keep playing and *****ing in your free time

[Digity]

I love how people like Twisted Bullet, or w/e his name is, spent their entire time with Halo 2 *****ing about it not being Halo 1, and are already *****ing about Halo 3 not being like Halo 2 or 1. I'm not saying you did that Twisted, but a hell of alot of people did and are. I don't know if you have noticed or not kiddies, but your opinions on these forums are usually not backed by any intelligent thinking and the fact that you (seem to be) so passionate that your "great and flawless" opinion on competition is heard really surprises me sense it isn't you that are pulling home any serious cash from any tournies. Pros are pros because they play because they love the game and because they can adapt and hone their skills. The majority of the time it would seem the Halo community here does either. I'm not trying to talk down to anyone, because God knows my skills arn't on par with anyone with Pro status, but I am trying to give the Halo community a wake-up slap so I can tell them to get their heads out of their asses. As a whole this community is insanely ignorant and really needs to get off these forums and practise some H2 till H3, or be patient and play the game before *****ing about every map and weapon you see. Almost every negative comment I have seen in the Gameroom or on forums can be disected and make the poster look like an ass, but the problem is that since the majority of this comunity are also asses it is overlooked and often agreed upon by his fellow ass gangs.

I'm not going to go into any details to explain anything else, but...
IN SHORT:
Play the game
then *****
then watch real pros get the money
then keep playing and *****ing in your free time
OOOO snap. Totally agree.

[TWISTED-BULLET]

I love how people like Twisted Bullet, or w/e his name is, spent their entire time with Halo 2 *****ing about it not being Halo 1, and are already *****ing about Halo 3 not being like Halo 2 or 1. I'm not saying you did that Twisted, but a hell of alot of people did and are. I don't know if you have noticed or not kiddies, but your opinions on these forums are usually not backed by any intelligent thinking and the fact that you (seem to be) so passionate that your "great and flawless" opinion on competition is heard really surprises me sense it isn't you that are pulling home any serious cash from any tournies. Pros are pros because they play because they love the game and because they can adapt and hone their skills. The majority of the time it would seem the Halo community here does either. I'm not trying to talk down to anyone, because God knows my skills arn't on par with anyone with Pro status, but I am trying to give the Halo community a wake-up slap so I can tell them to get their heads out of their asses. As a whole this community is insanely ignorant and really needs to get off these forums and practise some H2 till H3, or be patient and play the game before *****ing about every map and weapon you see. Almost every negative comment I have seen in the Gameroom or on forums can be disected and make the poster look like an ass, but the problem is that since the majority of this comunity are also asses it is overlooked and often agreed upon by his fellow ass gangs.

I'm not going to go into any details to explain anything else, but...
IN SHORT:
Play the game
then *****
then watch real pros get the money
then keep playing and *****ing in your free time

I don't think anything in my post was false, and how dare you tell me what is right and what is wrong about my opinion. We're not all robots that think everything is perfect, and all have opinions like yours, if you are against free speech then it's obvious that the MLG forums are not for you.

I am shocked and disgusted by your apparent ignorance, I have no idea where this personal attack came from and I'm absolutely offended by it.

[Siriuscal]

Forums are made to express opinions, not to flame them. I agree with bullets earlier statement about h2 and h3 also. The maps so far do seem a little large, but that can possibly be countered with the speed of players upped. Right now i dont think we can say what is an mlg map and what is not an mlg maps and we should leave it that way until september 25th.

[ReAKtion]

I don't think anything in my post was false, and how dare you tell me what is right and what is wrong about my opinion. We're not all robots that think everything is perfect, and all have opinions like yours, fi you are against free speech then it's obvious that the MLG forums are not for you.

I am shocked and disgusted by your apparent ignorance, I have no idea where this personal attack came from and I'm absolutely offended by it.

Told.:pwned:

[IIHereticII]

I didn't attack anyone, nor did I say freedom of speech shouldn't be around. What I did do was point out the flaws of what should be the best gaming community out there. With the growing popularity of MLG and pro Halo it all soon became deluded with scrubs who don't take it seriously yet feel the need to post constant negativity that sets an atmosphere most people don't enjoy. This atmosphere doesn't leave the forums or XBL and come to events, but most people see the forums and XBL first and are put off by the pointless agression from mediocre half-devoted MLG players. Elitism from an elite player is one thing, but way to many posters throw out comments that arn't necessarily wrong but are completely misguided, simple minded, and without much thought. You can't deny any of that. I honestly did not mean to offend you by mentioning your name Bullet, and what you said is absolutely no where near as bad as alot of random posts I've seen. Quiet the opposite actually, everything you said IS true and my original post wasn't to argue if it was or wasn't. It was just that it only took a grain of negativity to break the camel's back for me at this point and you happened to be there. It is my fault for dropping my rant on a thread that didn't really ask for it to the extent alot of others have, and I apologize for that. I do not apologize for calling out the community's ignorant, aggressive, asshole ways though.


EDIT: To stick with the topic of the thread, I do think Halo 3 is doing alot of things that will make the MLG scene pretty nifty when it comes to gametypes and such. As for the maps, not all have been revealed and more will come. I'm not sure how the whole making big maps for competion thing will work out seeing as I havn't played with forge or the maps yet, but there is always hope.

[TWISTED-BULLET]

I didn't attack anyone, nor did I say freedom of speech shouldn't be around. What I did do was point out the flaws of what should be the best gaming community out there. With the growing popularity of MLG and pro Halo it all soon became deluded with scrubs who don't take it seriously yet feel the need to post constant negativity that sets an atmosphere most people don't enjoy. This atmosphere doesn't leave the forums or XBL and come to events, but most people see the forums and XBL first and are put off by the pointless agression from mediocre half-devoted MLG players. Elitism from an elite player is one thing, but way to many posters throw out comments that arn't necessarily wrong but are completely misguided, simple minded, and without much thought. You can't deny any of that. I honestly did not mean to offend you by mentioning your name Bullet, and what you said is absolutely no where near as bad as alot of random posts I've seen. Quiet the opposite actually, everything you said IS true and my original post wasn't to argue if it was or wasn't. It was just that it only took a grain of negativity to break the camel's back for me at this point and you happened to be there. It is my fault for dropping my rant on a thread that didn't really ask for it to the extent alot of others have, and I apologize for that. I do not apologize for calling out the communities ignorant, aggressive, asshole ways though.


EDIT: To stick with the topic of the thread, I do think Halo 3 is doing alot of things that will make the MLG scene pretty nifty when it comes to gametypes and such. As for the maps, not all have been revealed and more will come. I'm not sure how the whole making big maps for competion thing will work out seeing as I havn't played with forge or the maps yet, but there is always hope.

Yeah its okay, I can see how it may seem I may have an elitist attitude, but I think maps, weapons and game balance are a really big deal. I know MLG will find the right settings for competitive play, and I'm not the type of player who plays MLG only gametypes 24/7. Trust me I'm an average gamer who loves MLG and competitive play, I was one of the guys that said about about changing MLG halo 2 rules to no duals when MLG were still on map default. I just come on strong when it's concerning MLG, MLG don't just pick up any map, thats the great thing about halo 2 and MLG's setting, they know the balance; it's evolved over years of play.

But yeah, please don't think I'm an elitist that only plays specific gametypes or nothing at all, I'm down with anything, seriously I'm a halo 1 noob at heart.

[lx_Nirvana_xl]

i dont think that halo 3 will live up to halo 2

[.RaiNMaKeR]

i dont think that halo 3 will live up to halo 2
I don't think its possible for a game developer to make a product worse than halo 2. But if anyone can do it. Its bungie.

[.RaiNMaKeR]

Seriously though, there are 8 maps that are too damn big, and they suck for MLG style play. Knowing bungie, they aren't gonna have a surplus of maps. BASTARDS!

[FATTaNK]

man i was so hyped up for h2 cuz i loved h1 but h3 looks LAME, its strayed so far away from what it original was. anyone else not excited at all for h3 like me or am i the only one? it really looks clownish and not very fun to play because it looks like it still has the *** h2 physics engine with better graphics

[ifreshprince]

Agreed

[Cadillac]

I'm not saying that Halo 3 won't have the features to make any map more balanced for MLG type play, but I do have my doubts about the maps. So far from what I've seen you can't flaw the ideas and the rediculous number of customizable features that H3 has, but I still haven't seen an MLG type map yet. All maps that I've seen so far are all big, the new lockout in my mind is huge, and the fact that we have a ton of corridors isn't exactly good news for competitive play. I'm not actually saying that the maps are bad, I'm just saying that they don't appear to competitive at all, and that the maps seems to be the weakest thing in H3 for MLG.

Valhalla, Snowbound and Highground, the 2 big maps were pretty good BTB maps in my opinion, one thing I liked about Valhalla is the map had the ability to section off clusters of skirmish's. Unlike a halo 2 map named coagulation which for the entire game you were basically fighting to take control of the middle of the map or the gameplay just feels very linea. In H3 there are much more places to hide and get cover in big maps, and I think BTB will actually be really good this time (Put on Noob/Flame suit).

So H3 is gonna work out great for some players, and its going to be very enjoyable, MLG on the other hand might end up saying, "Snowbound, the map is terrible for MLG but I think with correct balacing we can make it work for competitive play".

For Halo 3 to really take the crown; Bungie need to release a Fully Featured Map Creators Pack, MLG could employ a team to work excusively making maps for competitive play.

Hopefully when I play H3 I'll say, "I was wrong these maps are great, it really is the best game I've ever played", but at the minute I haven't seen one map that says MLG.


Halo players had alot to ***** about with halo 2 just released with PP combo's and sense of the word control, this made alot of players pack there bags and leave. In 2007 we see a completely different game of competitive halo 2 being played, and MLG are using maps and gametypes that I would consider the best halo 2 can offer. After all the *****ing about halo 2 I actually think it's an incredible competitive shooter, and anyone claiming that the game doesn't have individual skill is obviously naive.

Halo was an instant competitive classic. halo 2 had huge teething problems with massive balance errors, but but halo 2 is also a classic competitive shooter also. We've had to go through alot of pain with halo 2 yes, but it's still a great multiplayer title.

H3, we'll wait and see.


I read the entire thread, but this pretty much sums it all up perfectly.

All the custom options are going to be great and all, but at this point I havent seen a map that looks like wow thats for MLG. I think what is going to happen is we are going to have to SETTLE for some average competitive gametypes and average competitive maps like snowbound.

[Siriuscal]

snowbound can be a competitive map. Some elements need to be removed though. The shield doors killed that map in the beta. All people would do is camp behind the shield doors with a shotty. And after the maybe the 1st week of the beta, Snowbound became the biggest campfest in halo history. I hope forge lets us remove the shield doors. If those can be removed then i think the map stands a chance, provided the right weapons are placed on the map.

[KrAyZiE]

i dont think that halo 3 will live up to halo 2

:rolleyes: Oooooook Nirvana.

[Sentry]

I'm about sick of people saying how they don't think Halo 3 will be better than Halo 2.

If H3 has half the bull **** of H2 then I'll be happy. Think of all the times BS has happened, getting modded and standbyed, shots not registering at all, ect ect.

Remember Halo 2 was a rushed game, they didn't even polish it off like they should have. Therefore we had a bunch of terrible annoying things to deal with down the line. Halo 3 has been complete for a looooong time now. The beta was pretty much the final build with different combinations of weapons and weapon damage. By 9-25 they will have this game fully changeable with XBL updates, so if a problem arises they can fix it on the spot.

Only 4 weeks til Halo 3 (28 days) comes out, just hold tight.

[ReAKtion]

Halo 1 < Halo 2 < Halo 3 IMO

[TWISTED-BULLET]

Halo 1 < Halo 2 < Halo 3 IMO

Yeah, be prepared to be flamed.

[iDeMiiZe]

Halo 1 < Halo 2 < Halo 3 IMO
more like this halo 2 < halo 3 < halo 1

[Twenty 8 Grams]

Halo 1 < Halo 2 < Halo 3 IMO
if ur saying H2 > H1, than u never played H1

[Sulfuric___mlg_]

snowbound can be a competitive map. Some elements need to be removed though. The shield doors killed that map in the beta. All people would do is camp behind the shield doors with a shotty. And after the maybe the 1st week of the beta, Snowbound became the biggest campfest in halo history. I hope forge lets us remove the shield doors. If those can be removed then i think the map stands a chance, provided the right weapons are placed on the map.

How about adding a teleporter in both bases, so to control one, you'd have to control them both. But a teleporter where you can't just camp both the exit and the shield doors.

[ReAKtion]

I played H1, just I was kindof a late bloomer with Halo, so Halo 1 may be better to like 99 percent of people, but I just didn't really enjoy still "imo". But I have alot of respect for Halo 1 and 2 and most likely 3 because the Halo series is blows any other "wanna-be" competitive shooters away :)

[Sentry]

I played H1, just I was kindof a late bloomer with Halo, so Halo 1 may be better to like 99 percent of people, but I just didn't really enjoy still "imo". But I have alot of respect for Halo 1 and 2 and most likely 3 because the Halo series is blows any other "wanna-be" competitive shooters away :)

Heh, I wish I could say that, but Halo really never blew me away. I play Halo because my friends did, and now I only play because I love going to MLG's. Sure I like it, and I play it religiously, but it still doesn't hold a candle to the unreal/quake series in my opinion. Well, or counter-strike. I'm hoping with all the new customization options, Halo 3 can fill that gap and be the game that I enjoy playing.

Halo 2's lack of custom options really made it not fun from day 1. I'm used to being able to pick my own map, not them pick it for me.

[RickJamez]

I love how people like Twisted Bullet, or w/e his name is, spent their entire time with Halo 2 *****ing about it not being Halo 1, and are already *****ing about Halo 3 not being like Halo 2 or 1. I'm not saying you did that Twisted, but a hell of alot of people did and are. I don't know if you have noticed or not kiddies, but your opinions on these forums are usually not backed by any intelligent thinking and the fact that you (seem to be) so passionate that your "great and flawless" opinion on competition is heard really surprises me sense it isn't you that are pulling home any serious cash from any tournies. Pros are pros because they play because they love the game and because they can adapt and hone their skills. The majority of the time it would seem the Halo community here does either. I'm not trying to talk down to anyone, because God knows my skills arn't on par with anyone with Pro status, but I am trying to give the Halo community a wake-up slap so I can tell them to get their heads out of their asses. As a whole this community is insanely ignorant and really needs to get off these forums and practise some H2 till H3, or be patient and play the game before *****ing about every map and weapon you see. Almost every negative comment I have seen in the Gameroom or on forums can be disected and make the poster look like an ass, but the problem is that since the majority of this comunity are also asses it is overlooked and often agreed upon by his fellow ass gangs.

I'm not going to go into any details to explain anything else, but...
IN SHORT:
Play the game
then *****
then watch real pros get the money
then keep playing and *****ing in your free time






I like you.

[RickJamez]

I also heard on podcast that BUNGIE is already working on downloadable content. Probably maps. I am pretty sure maps will be available within 6 months.

[RickJamez]

if ur saying H2 > H1, than u never played H1


I say H2 > H1

I played both since release.
Thats why it is an opinion you dont have to agree.

[Hitzel_89]

Edit your posts dude, don't post 3 times in a row.

*Edit*

Make that four...

[RickJamez]

more like this halo 2 < halo 3 < halo 1


You think H1 > H3 and you havent even played it.



You sum up what is wrong with these forums.



Didnt know I could edit sorry.

[Bonesaw]

How about adding a teleporter in both bases, so to control one, you'd have to control them both. But a teleporter where you can't just camp both the exit and the shield doors.

That's actually a great point. If it's impossible to remove the shield doors, at the very least you could place a 2 way portal to link the insides of the bases... even still you could still have a door camper at each shield and someone blocking the portal... but it's a start.

[Thecosta27]

Halo 3 is going to be the best halo game....period. I have no doubts about it. Just playing the beta with 3 maps was funner then 2 years of halo 2. All the maps have not been seen yet and you have no idea what new maps are to come. So no one has the right to ***** about it right now when you haven't even played it. And the footage youve seen of the new lockout and such was played by 2 players.. well shouldn't even be called players.. 2 COMPLETE noobs that probably made the maps look more complicated then it is. If you have 4v4 pros playing on that map it might be a lot faster gameplay. All im saying is that wait till september 25.. then either :) or :banghead:

[i cut u up]

I love how people like Twisted Bullet, or w/e his name is, spent their entire time with Halo 2 *****ing about it not being Halo 1, and are already *****ing about Halo 3 not being like Halo 2 or 1. I'm not saying you did that Twisted, but a hell of alot of people did and are. I don't know if you have noticed or not kiddies, but your opinions on these forums are usually not backed by any intelligent thinking and the fact that you (seem to be) so passionate that your "great and flawless" opinion on competition is heard really surprises me sense it isn't you that are pulling home any serious cash from any tournies. Pros are pros because they play because they love the game and because they can adapt and hone their skills. The majority of the time it would seem the Halo community here does either. I'm not trying to talk down to anyone, because God knows my skills arn't on par with anyone with Pro status, but I am trying to give the Halo community a wake-up slap so I can tell them to get their heads out of their asses. As a whole this community is insanely ignorant and really needs to get off these forums and practise some H2 till H3, or be patient and play the game before *****ing about every map and weapon you see. Almost every negative comment I have seen in the Gameroom or on forums can be disected and make the poster look like an ass, but the problem is that since the majority of this comunity are also asses it is overlooked and often agreed upon by his fellow ass gangs.

I'm not going to go into any details to explain anything else, but...
IN SHORT:
Play the game
then *****
then watch real pros get the money
then keep playing and *****ing in your free time

Though i dont know who the eff you are, i completly agree man...

and to the thred h3 will be 100x the game h2 is....

i played for the entire beta and probably got 1/10th the BS i did in a day of H2.

[KrAyZiE]

I say H2 > H1

I played both since release.
Thats why it is an opinion you dont have to agree.

That's the equivalent of saying that having 50,000 dollars is better than 500,000 dollars.

Sometimes opinions are wrong.

[Sentry]

That's the equivalent of saying that having 50,000 dollars is better than 500,000 dollars.

Sometimes opinions are wrong.

It's all fun and games til somebody gets smashed by a $500,000 bag of pennies.

[I Phade I]

Sometimes opininion are wrong, this isn't a case where that is true. One person can like one Halo 1 better than Halo 2 or vice versa.

Its not at all like comparing 50k to 500k. Its more like saying "I like this apple better than your pear." This person isnt wrong, even though I like my pear better than his apple.

And for the record I like the gameplay from Halo 1 better, but I will choose Halo 2 every single time over it simply because of the online capabilities.

[SomeoneX]

The simple fact is, Halo 2 made the best out of what was a fairly bad game for competitive games.

Before you complain about maps, we did not see that many maps before Halo 2 launched. There were 7 maps: Ascension, Burial Mounds, Waterworks, Zanzibar, Lockout, Midship, and Ivory Tower.

If you could edit the maps to solve weapon imbalances, only 3 of those would be in MLG today (Lockout, Midship, Ivory Tower).


From what we know about Halo 3, there are several promising maps that we know about:

Guardian
Narrows
Snowbound (a fantastic job was done in the other thread)

Possibly High Ground/Epitaph/Last Resort for some other gametypes (not enough is really known about Epitaph)


The only maps that really aren't suitable are Valhalla and Sandtrap.

With DLC which will probably shortly follow (it's already being worked on), things should be fine.

[Clouse]

I say H2 > H1

I played both since release.
Thats why it is an opinion you dont have to agree.

I lost track of why people say H2>H1, last I heard it had to do with teamwork or something silly. I mean we know H1 took more skill as far as aiming and strat. Honestly I don't know where the idea came from that H2 takes more teamwork anyway. The reason bad kids get owned in H1 so much worse is not because it takes less teamwork, but because it takes more skill to aim and plan your attack, it's not as fast paced. Less thinking takes place in H2. I mean bad kids will get owned by h1 pros and they won't need much teamwork to beat them while in h2 pros still need good teamwork to own bad kids in h2, but that is just because people ability to aim is much closer together. There is less of a skill gap there in h2. But if those H1 Pros who just owned the bad kids without using much teamwork, get matched against other h1 pros with equal ability and play with the same amount of teamwork...they will get owned by the other pros who used teamwork just as bad as they just owned the bad kids. H1 takes just as much teamwork if not more then h2 at the competitive level, it's just some people could never learn to aim like a lot of the top players in h1 no matter how long they played. Basically teamwork just doesn't come into play incase the teams are equal in skill in h1, but when the teams are equal in skill it without a dought takes just as much teamwork as h2.

Now i'm sorry if I disagree with your opinion, i'm not flaming but just stating my reason and opinion as to why H1<H2 and my opinion is based on those facts i just stated. But i guess it's possible for someone to like halo 2 more then halo 1 for some other wild reason :banghead:

[ReAKtion]

i dont think that halo 3 will live up to halo 2

You mean "Live down to"

[Effay]

But i guess it's possible for someone to like halo 2 more then halo 1 for some other wild reason :banghead:
It's because it's easier.

[Clouse]

It's because it's easier.

That's got to be it. Thought this comment was funny I read a while back on here though, someone said "if H2 is so much eazier then how come Zyos the best h1 player does worse in the tourneys at h2?" Umm...maybe because it's so easy for everyone else in the world to be good??? :pwned: I mean if you take the skill out of a sport then what do you have. What if they made the hoop twice as big in basketball. Then a lot more people would be good, and guys like Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, and Wade wouldn't be that special...they would do worse as far as championships and records went, because so many more people would be good.