I think i have a summary of why everybody hates h3

[Ikky_Stikky]

So I've been noticing on the board theres about 3 or 4 H3 hate threads and I just felt like diagnosing H3 as it stands now, i think i touched all bases.

1. Melee system, utter CRAP. I think we can depend on bungie to fix this.
2. BR spread, I haven't played on LAN yet so i don't know if it's different from XBL.
3. MAPS. right now the only maps i personally like are The Pit, Guardian, and High Ground and I don't even think they can compare to Beaver Creek/Middie/Lockout
4. and for the few who play MM, the lack of THC.
5. When the flag drops it falls straiiight down,
6. TOUCH RETURN?!?!
7. Oddball/KOTH timer, incredibly awkward when you look down expecting a time and you have 34?
8. Personally, I don't like how the assault system works, I don't know if that's just me
9. Time between Sniper shots, though, this makes it MORE of a skill weapon although it was arguably one of the most skill dependant weapons in the game
10. Less Grenades/Spike Grenades. We can hold up to 8 grenades at a time, but honestly i don't think I've ever used firebomb grenades on XBL, and spike grenades, basically a plasma but even less useful.
For a plasma you mainly have to go for the stick, but it can be useful for placing a grenade in the exact place you want it. The spike grenade does NOTHING when it doesn't stick your opponent making them completely one dimensional, and plasmas make them obsolete.
11. The Xbox 360 controller, hate it.
12. This isn't just a complaint about H3, but it would be nice if Bungie had included an option for a custom button layout
13. Those dumb barriers :( haha
14. Grenades bounce off power-ups? HOW DUMB!
15. Those plasma crate things that respawn on the wall need to be able to taken off, and all of the other explosive crates create too large of an explosion
16. This should be further up, but the mauler and other such cheap weapons, but mainly the mauler, and AR start, the AR is too easy to get kills with.


Now, things i like about H3
1. Forge, opens up possibilities for really creative maps that can change gametypes
2. Theatre, really helpful, when you're playing with your friends and you just NEED to go back and show them that no-scope you had on them
3. I guess equipment was a cool idea?
4. Spartan Laser, Hard to use against a single opponent but devestating when unleashed on a vehicle.
5. Lack of glitches, well, I haven't really decided if this is good or bad yet, in h2 you could get a 4 shot, throw a nade, kill lthe second by then you would be on no shields but you still have the chance to turn around and pull-off a BXR, a very skilled move. In h3 you really have no chance to kill that 3rd opponent.
6. Armor Permutations, add a cool personal touch to your character.
7. BUMPER JUMPER, love it.
8. I don't know if I'm going to regret saying this, but i do think that the new DLC will be pretty cool
9. For those who play MM, the veto option is really handy.
10. They tried with rank, but all it really did was encourage boosting
11. Achievements? :) Gives people something to work for, but i wish they had one like GOW for 10,000 kills
12. The graphics are amazing.
13. More customizable options for custom games.
14. Fileshare really helpful for getting custom game variants
15. Service Record K/D stats, etc. These are cool and pretty informative.

If you think i should add anything just tell me, this was just an attempt to take inventory of how I, and most other forum members feel about H3, this took me a while and i think i took everything about the game into consideration.

[OniChris]

NEW AND EXCITING.



Play Call of Duty until a patch comes out. H3 is lame, hopefully just for now.

[Ikky_Stikky]

i was just getting tired of reading three topics that restate the same thing, so i restated all of them in one? including my own. hm, sounds like i did the thing that was annoying me... eh oh well


but i enjoy h3, just not the meelee

[BPowda]

good post, but it's funny when you look at the things you like about h3 (and most people agree that those are neat), none of them have to do with the actual gameplay, it's all flashy add-ons. That, my friend, is why I hate h3 :)

[SnaKKer]

Alright, I'll dance...

1. Yes.
2. BR is pretty awesome on LAN, and I'm sure they'll tighten it back up with a patch.
3. I like the maps fine, new ones on the way.
4. No pro settings yet, no pro MM yet.
5. Deal with it.
6. Yes.
7. That doesn't matter at all.
8. Pretty sure you can change how that works.
9. Get headshots and you'll be fine.
10. Forge that stuff. The spike grenades are pretty awesome when you learn how to angle them. You throw one under someone jumping it is going to kill them.
11. Best console controller ever.
12. I guess.
13. I guess.
14. Trivial.
15. Just another part of the game to deal with. We couldn't remove cores in H2.
16. Forge.

[oneshot187]

Alright, I'll dance...

1. Yes.
2. BR is pretty awesome on LAN, and I'm sure they'll tighten it back up with a patch.
3. I like the maps fine, new ones on the way.
4. No pro settings yet, no pro MM yet.
5. Deal with it.
6. Yes.
7. That doesn't matter at all.
8. Pretty sure you can change how that works.
9. Get headshots and you'll be fine.
10. Forge that stuff. The spike grenades are pretty awesome when you learn how to angle them. You throw one under someone jumping it is going to kill them.
11. Best console controller ever.
12. I guess.
13. I guess.
14. Trivial.
15. Just another part of the game to deal with. We couldn't remove cores in H2.
16. Forge.

I feel the same way... really only 2 legitimate complaints out of his 16...

[KERN___mlg_]

Almost all of the complaints are so minor that they are not worthy people complaining so much about.
#1) Melee Needs to be fixed regardless, and is in the process of being fixed. No need to continue complaining about it

#2) BR Spread should really be tightened, this is my major complaint.

#3) The Maps, which if purple reign is what I think it is, and if vandelay is as great as they are making it up to be, will no longer be a viable complaint. More maps will be released, and the game will progress much like H2 did.

#4) Some of the retarded nooks and crannies on the map that **** up grenade hops, but these cant be fixed and just require more precision when throwing nades.

I honestly feel that most people just look for things to complain about because nomatter how much people want, Halo 3 is NOT halo 2. I feel for alot of these people however, after putting years into Halo 2, then having to start back on square one, it would frustrate me as well. Alot of people expected that Halo 3 would be like Halo 2 with new maps I think, and they are having trouble coping with the fact that they cant quite dominate the way they did in H2. Everyone has to prove themselves again, and its causing a bit of anger.

When Halo 2 came out people had fun, then eventually competitive gaming grew, and they progressed into that. When Halo 3 came out people skipped the fun part, and are rushing to make it big and go pro. The game needs time to progress, and people need to slow it down a notch, the circuit is still a while to come. Instead of looking for things to nitpick, and find reasons why they arent 4 shotting randoms in pub rooms, people need to just play and get used to the new game. Its just a matter of time before Bungie releases the new maps and a major patch.

[V0LUM3___mlg_]

Honestly H3 has delivered a lot more than I had anticipated, and with the amount of effort that Bungie's always put into correcting their mistakes there's a very good chance that a lot of the minor issues will still be corrected in a reasonable amount of time...

[Allurex]

It's just not fun after you've played more than 20 games on it.

[BPowda]

It's just not fun after you've played more than 0 games on it.

You hit an extra key, but I fixed it for you

[Allurex]

You hit an extra key, but I fixed it for you

My hero.

[sar1N]

If you hate Halo 3 so much then stay out of the Halo 3 forums. It's hard to be productive with whiners running around.

[UHLEET]

H3 is fine, most of those post are from BK's who think its a bad game cuz they get owned.

If you hate Halo 3 so much then stay out of the Halo 3 forums. It's hard to be productive with whiners running around.

AGREED

[Allurex]

H3 is fine, most of those post are from BK's who think its a bad game cuz they get owned.



AGREED


No.

It's not fine. It sucks.

Can you honestly see yourself playing H3 for as long as people played H1 or H2?

No.

[BPowda]

H3 is fine, most of those post are from BK's who think its a bad game cuz they get owned.



LOL, that is the worst response ever. So many people use that and those that do don't understand the flaws of the h3. Even if you can deal with all the **** that is wrong with the game, some people don't like it cause it's boring or they don't find it fun.

[Crav3n]

until this game gets a serious patch and better maps (assuming THAT even helps it) I just cant see myself taking this game seriously.

[Gallagher06]

H3 is fine, most of those post are from BK's who think its a bad game cuz they get owned.



AGREED
honestly i didnt have a problem with you, but if this is truely what you think then you're just gonna have to move out of my state

....tis was a joke..but seriously youre sadly mistaken if you think Halo3 is fine...and none of these posts are from 'BKs', in fact most of the posts in this thread complaining about H3 are from respected members of the community.....play CoD4 or SR then honestly tell me this game is good (and if you can then there is something wrong)

edi: haha did you seriously just try and neg rep me.....ill be a nice guy and let it slide this time just because your rep doesnt count

[therealmiker]

ffs


THIS THREAD ALREADY EXISTS

[BPowda]

20 minutes til I leave work, then I'm gettin COD4!!!!

[Gallagher06]

20 minutes til I leave work, then I'm gettin COD4!!!!
iv played it cause my bro has it, and its insane the community is...well not the best (but who cares about the community when you have privates/ customs)

the one thing i dont like is that its like RB6 in terms of the more you play the more guns you unlock, which is the main reason i stopped playin RB6, everybody had these crazy weapons and i had a pop gun that didnt even work :neutral:

[BPowda]

iv played it cause my bro has it, and its insane the community is...well not the best (but who cares about the community when you have privates/ customs)

the one thing i dont like is that its like RB6 in terms of the more you play the more guns you unlock, which is the main reason i stopped playin RB6, everybody had these crazy weapons and i had a pop gun that didnt even woerk :neutral:

yeah I had heard about that, plus the perks you can get too. I assume there's a way to regulate what people can use so it's not just a game of who has the better weapons.

[Ikky_Stikky]

yes, i did notice that a lot of the pros were just flashy add-ons, graphics, etc. and some of the complaints were VERY minor, half of them i don't even care about honestly. I like H3 to an extent, it's fun for about 5 or 6 games a day, and honestly thats all i really need/want to play

[PtDJetBlk]

yeah i have to agree that the melees do aggravate me

[SilverSon]

1. its something new
2. too much hype

[chrisrayn]

you need to revise your title. it says "summary." it should read "extensive word beating"

[Ikky_Stikky]

you need to revise your title. it says "summary." it should read "extensive word beating"
will do chief...

[Roliie]

H3 is fine, most of those post are from BK's who think its a bad game cuz they get owned.





coming from a guy who camps Purp Lift on Contrust in MM with mauler.

[That-DAM-n00b]

you forgot two things, the forge has weapon spawning issues, you can only spawn certain weapons on certain maps and some weapons you can't even spawn with at all. How do they ever expect to do a team sniper gametype when you can only spawn the beam rifle on one ****ing map.

and a custom games browser.

[Ikky_Stikky]

i was going to address the not-being-able-to-spawn-with-certain-weapons-problem, but i really didn't know what the actual problem was cause i've never actually tried it

[RevolverIsAmazing]

Man People need to grow up. If people don't like the game don't play it. Respected member of the community? heh. Not really respected I don't post much but I read alot and all I ever see the respective members do is flame newer members for making mistakes and ***** about Halo 3. The only problem with halo is that everyone plays it like halo 2 or rushes consitantly. It's a different game get used to it adapt or go play COD4. Which btw just bnecause there is something new(airstike and perks) doesnt mean its bad it adds an extra strategy to the game and makes it actually fun. Kinda like the magic in Shadowrun.

[Gallagher06]

Man People need to grow up. If people don't like the game don't play it.
I don't play it (SR FTW), but i someday want to hence the reason i post on these forums....

& people have the right to cmplain or '*****' if they feel a game has the potential to be better than it is now (and believe me Halo 3 does, now its up to bungie to follow through on what the community wants and improve their game accordingly)

[RevolverIsAmazing]

I don't play it (SR FTW), but i someday want to hence the reason i post on these forums....

& people have the right to cmplain or '*****' if they feel a game has the potential to be better than it is now (and believe me Halo 3 does, now its up to bungie to follow through on what the community wants and improve their game)


Sure it could be better, melee system is *** and maps are akward, and alot of options simply seem to be missing, but its deffinatly better than shadowrun, its also better than COD4 the way it is now. I honestly play with the best players on Halo 3 right now and I dont seem to have a problem with the competivness of the game :\ O and BTW stop acting like MLG is all of Halo 3's community. Last time I checked people play matchmaking more than Customs the only theing the whole cvommunity agrees on is the melee system and the mauler. I know I look on b.net HBO and MLG and im pretty active on all 3 forums, not always posting but I see alot of what peopel have to say.

[Gallagher06]

Sure it could be better, melee system is *** and maps are akward, and alot of options simply seem to be missing, but its deffinatly better than shadowrun, its also better than COD4 the way it is now. I honestly play with the best players on Halo 3 right now and I dont seem to have a problem with the competivness of the game :\ O and BTW stop acting like MLG is all of Halo 3's community. Last time I checked people play matchmaking more than Customs the only theing the whole cvommunity agrees on is the melee system and the mauler. I know I look on b.net HBO and MLG and im pretty active on all 3 forums, not always posting but I see alot of what peopel have to say.
Halo 3 right now is NOT better than SR, and until bungie does a major patch or releases some pretty amazing maps than it wont be

and i could really care less who you play with on Halo 3, that doesnt change the fact that there is major room for improvment....and i never said MLG is all of Halo 3s community, but if bungie is goin to act like they care about the competitivness of their game then they should at least give us some decent symmetrical maps that we can forge to be competitive

dont get me wrong i like Halo3 but until they fix the melee and at least a portion of the problems listed in this thread: http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138915 , than it will always be a fun game not a competitive game

edit: haha reading through i may have used the word 'competitve' a few too many times :)

[RevolverIsAmazing]

Halo 3 right now is NOT better than SR, until bungie does a major patch or releases some pretty amazing maps than it wont be

and i could really care less who you play with on Halo 3, that doesnt change the fact that there is major room for improvment....and i never said MLG is all of Halo 3s community, but if bungie is goin to act like they care about the competitivness of their game then they should at least give us some decent symmetrical maps

dont get me wrong i like Halo3 but until they fix the melee and at least a portion of the problems listed in this thread: http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138915 , than it will always be a fun game not a competitive game

First off I'm sorry I uspet you in the fact that you have an OPINION that shadowrun is the best competitive game ever, but thats just simply not true. That game has a ton of room for improvement as well. Secondly their are some decent symetrical maps that they tried for competitive play, The Pit is one, Guardian is pretty much a remake of lockout the most played map btw, Construct, and Isolation. Just because you don't like the maps doesn't change the fact that they are symetrical lol. They tried, and did a bad job on some, but they do care. Stop acting like a middle child. Melee is the only deffinitve problem that can't be fixed by Forge. O and BTW it does matter who I play with playing with randoms and playing with the best is alot different. Playing good people not only forces you to learn the game alot better and faster it also means I probably play more than you -.-.

(I agree with about 1/4 of the complaints on that post the rest are complaints that have no relevance.)

[Gallagher06]

First off I'm sorry I uspet you in the fact that you have an OPINION that shadowrun is the best competitive game ever, but thats just simply not true that game has a ton of room for improvement as well. Secondly thier are some decent symetrical maps that they tried for competitive play, PIT is one, Guardian is pretty much a remake of lockout the most played map btw, Construct, and isolation. Just because you don't liek the mpas doesnt change the fact that there symetrical lol. They tried they just did a bad job they do care stop acting like a middle child. Melee is the only deffinitve problem that cant be fixed by forge.

EDIT: Im editing for bad grammar im kinda split between like 3 different things right now. O and BTW it does matter who i play with playing with randoms and playing with the best not only forces you to learn the game alot better and faster it also means I probably play more than you -.-
you're twisting my words around....you in fact said first that SR is not as good as Halo 3 (which is laughable) i was just pointing out that that is incorrect (imo, everything i say is obviously my opinion)

and yes Halo 3 does have room for improvement, you yourself even said it does when you said the melee is ***....and thats a total of 3 maps that are symmetircal (i undersatnd this is about the same amount that H2 had when it was released, but w/e this is an arguiement of now or i wouldnt have said H3 has potential)....I'm not acting like a middle child at all im stating my opinions on what is wrong with H3 and what can be improved

hah and i have no doubt that you play more than me (i refuse to play Halo 3 until a patch is released), and when i said 'idc who you play with', i wasnt sayin it doesnt matter i was just sayin idc

[RevolverIsAmazing]

you're twisting my words around....you in fact said first that SR is not as good as Halo 3 (which is laughable) i was just pointing out that that is incorrect (imo, everything i say is obviously my opinion)

and yes Halo 3 does have room for improvement, you yourself even said it does when you said the melee is ***....and thats a total of 3 maps that are symmetircal (i undersatnd this is about the same amount that H2 had when it was released, but w/e this is an arguiement of now or i wouldnt have said H3 has potential)....I'm not acting like a middle child at all im stating my opinions on what is wrong with H3 and what can be improved

hah and i have no doubt that you play more than me (i refuse to play Halo 3 until a patch is released), and when i said 'idc who you play with', i wasnt sayin it doesnt matter i was just sayin idc

Im not attacking you lol, I know I said Halo 3 has room for improvement and I acknowledge that we have conflicting opinions on SR. Sorry if you misunderstood me. I was just disgruntled at the fact that you put NOT in bold like it was fact or something. I believe Halo is fine the way it is and I'm just backing up my opinions with evidences thats all. BTW thats 3 maps that are symetrical plus Guardian which in my opinion is the best map in Halo 3. Also I was't tring to brag I was using it as an evidence that I play at Higher level of competion so I know the patchwork of the game thats all. Sorry if I came off like a nooblet (a.k.a. I play with TC there my bestest friendsss <3)

[Gallagher06]

Im not attacking you lol, I know i said Halo 3 has room for improvement and I acknowledge that we have conflicting opinions on SR sorry if you misunderstood me. I was just disgruntled at the fact that you put NOT in bold like it was fact or something. I'm just backing up my opinions with evidences thats all. and thats 3 maps that are symetrical plus Guardian which in my opinion is the best map in Halo 3. Also I was't tring to brag I was using it as an evidence that I play at Higher level of competion so I know the patchwork of the game thats all. Sorry if I came of like a nooblet (a.k.a. I play with TC there my bestest friendsss <3)
haha its no problem, i just get into arguements over small things once in a while....i agree that some of the maps are good and deff. competitive, bungie just has to fix the melee and then i could probably live with the BR bullet spread (i was jsut using these flaws to strengthen my arguement)

haha iv been playin SR for a very long time and when someone says something even remotely negative about it i usually go off (haah one of my 'buttons' i guess you could say :)

haha no hard feelings...to everyone their own opinion

[II Devastate II]

1. its something new
2. too much hype
yes agreed too much hype

[Baummmer]

i know you can forge everything, but why cant you just put it on like halo classic, rifles, or anything. i hate moving **** around for 34556698-023452==5=-3452 hours

[hollowblade]

you forgot **** ass spawns.

[RevolverIsAmazing]

you forgot **** ass spawns.

The spawns are fine in 4s and FFA, I remember people *****ing about Halo 2's spawns untill you actually leanr them. Bungie did a good job of making it so it so you can force spawn people into your reticle effectivly. I know where peopel are going to spawn when I stand in certain areas. Some spawns are still random but you get the gist after a while.

[sar1N]

I don't think the BR spread has anything to do with people's shots registering. I think that because of Halo 2, console gamers don't understand how lead works. I can't hit someone from across Sandtrap, but IMO I shouldn't be able to with a BR.

[BPowda]

I don't think the BR spread has anything to do with people's shots registering. I think that because of Halo 2, console gamers don't understand how lead works. I can't hit someone from across Sandtrap, but IMO I shouldn't be able to with a BR.

someone has never played any game except for h2 :)

[Kdall26]

Yeah this was already mentioned but, right now COD 4 blows halo 3 out of the water, MLG customs are fun and all but....

*The Maps are MUCH MUCH Better, and well balanced, it seems that 99% of positions are flankable and weak to an extent.

*Personal Customization makes for incredibly fun gameplay, do you want a longer sprint for rushing a position? Or do you want to drop a grenade when you die? Etc... adds flavor to the game.

*The gameplay is very intense, search and destroy and headquarters gotta be my favorite 2 modes, you don't respawn in search and destroy so you gotta be vigilant and reminds me a lot of the DE mode in Counter-Strike, and headquarters is a fun king of the hill twist, where the team that captures it is unable to respawn until the capture point changes, or the enemy recaptures it, which leads to hilarious standoffs where the last 2-3 people are holding off and entire team.

[BPowda]

COD4 = most fun I've had playing a console game since h:ce (both campaign and multiplayer)

[Kdall26]

The problem im seeing is the fact that a lot of people aren't going to pick it up because they think halo is better simply because its halo, I don't think halo 3 sets any benchmarks currently, Call of Duty 4 does.

They are both great games, but if you want better built in competetive play, grab call of duty 4, you won't be disapointed.

[hollowblade]

The spawns are fine in 4s and FFA, I remember people *****ing about Halo 2's spawns untill you actually leanr them. Bungie did a good job of making it so it so you can force spawn people into your reticle effectivly. I know where peopel are going to spawn when I stand in certain areas. Some spawns are still random but you get the gist after a while.i dont know about you but i have been screwed over countless times with spawns in h3. we kill the entire team just to have them spawn 20ft behind us in a better spot. or on highground when we rush beach the always spawn there again after we kill them and most the time your not expecting something like that so you die.
I dont know if its just my luck that is non existant. or the game.

[KiLLtacularrrrrrrrrr]

COD4 spawns are just as bad or worse I get spawn killed a lot more in COD then Halo. Halos only spawn that annoys me are the ones on highground.

[Ikky_Stikky]

why has everybody jumped on the COD4 bandwagon, i havent played it yet, but have played the others and if its anything like them then i wont enjoy it, though i do hope to give it a chance.

[Kamatzu]

The only thing I absolutely hate about Halo 3 are the maps.
Why are they all big enough to house the Titanic? Why was only Zanzibar brought back? No midship? I hope the DLC maps make up in that department... We don't need another Sandtrap or Containment.

[Mentu]

Right now Halo 3 > Halo 2 even without a patch IMO.

All of these issues are going to be fixed before the season even starts. So why bother complaining?

[Mentu]

No.

It's not fine. It sucks.

Can you honestly see yourself playing H3 for as long as people played H1 or H2?

No.
Actually yes. I played Halo 2 around 6 months consistently before I started hating the game. I would play on and off only to have something to do.

I honestly can't understand why ANYONE thinks Halo 2 > Halo 3 in any way, shape, or form.

[Lee34]

NEW AND EXCITING.



Play Call of Duty until a patch comes out. H3 is lame, hopefully just for now.



win 8-)

[hollowblade]

Right now Halo 3 > Halo 2 even without a patch IMO.

All of these issues are going to be fixed before the season even starts. So why bother complaining?go play zombies....

h1 made for competitive play. h2 made for online noob freindly competitive play.

h3 made to a zombie rocket racing camp around corners omg 12yearolds game.

bungie forgot to update zombies into MM how odd.

[BPowda]

H3 sucks wayyyyyyy worse now that I have COD4, it is far beyond anything h3 can offer