Human Rogues

[its_Jbo]

Got anything to say about em?

[AZZt0ni0]

yes. don't make one. gnomes have escape artist and thats better for pvp. actually, if your going to be doing mlg just make undead.

if your makeing one to actually play, then make a night elf because they have more agi. (damage)

humans are a no go rogue.

[Plagued]

yes. don't make one. gnomes have escape artist and thats better for pvp. actually, if your going to be doing mlg just make undead.

if your makeing one to actually play, then make a night elf because they have more agi. (damage)

humans are a no go rogue.

This is wrong.

For PvP go Human, Perception is by far the most overpowered racial in PvP Arenas, where the only PvP counts. Since most 3v3 teams consist of atleast one Rogue, Perception pretty much cancels the Rogue's ability to get a Sap off in the beginning of a game. Gnome is definitely not even close to Humans.

Believe me, Human for Alliance, Undead for Horde. Hopefully he sees this post before he starts a character.

[GadgetCopter]

yes. don't make one. gnomes have escape artist and thats better for pvp. actually, if your going to be doing mlg just make undead.

if your makeing one to actually play, then make a night elf because they have more agi. (damage)

humans are a no go rogue.

While gnomes are clearly the best race ever, they definitely don't come anywhere near humans as far as pvp racials. For the most part honestly I would take human over undead, getting the opener on a rogue is almost an auto win.

[SiqK]

yes. don't make one. gnomes have escape artist and thats better for pvp. actually, if your going to be doing mlg just make undead.

if your makeing one to actually play, then make a night elf because they have more agi. (damage)

humans are a no go rogue.
Along with what the others have said this is also wrong because NElfs agi really plays no part end game...all races stats for all intents and purposes equal out at 70. Rolling a NE Rogue you get SHADOWMELD OMG YES and 1% chance to get owned by a warrior even more than other rogues.

NE rogue = stick a tag on it and call it retarded. At least if you understood your options before you rolled it.


EDIT: But gnomes do backflips when they kick. So roll gnome.

[GadgetCopter]

Along with what the others have said this is also wrong because NElfs agi really plays no part end game...all races stats for all intents and purposes equal out at 70. Rolling a NE Rogue you get SHADOWMELD OMG YES and 1% chance to get owned by a warrior even more than other rogues.

NE rogue = stick a tag on it and call it retarded. At least if you understood your options before you rolled it.


EDIT: But gnomes do backflips when they kick. So roll gnome.

Dodge is still good against a warrior. Not popping evasion vs a war = death sentence.

[AZZt0ni0]

This is wrong.

For PvP go Human, Perception is by far the most overpowered racial in PvP Arenas, where the only PvP counts. Since most 3v3 teams consist of atleast one Rogue, Perception pretty much cancels the Rogue's ability to get a Sap off in the beginning of a game. Gnome is definitely not even close to Humans.

Believe me, Human for Alliance, Undead for Horde. Hopefully he sees this post before he starts a character.

um no... if your a rogue you don't need perception. a rogue needs the ability to come out of roots so he can dps more. that is it. that is their only job. a rouge doesnt stealth then go around looking for other rogues. he goes and scouts for the healer saps him then dps's.

if we were talking about mages or priests then sure, make the human, but as a rogue no.

[GadgetCopter]

um no... if your a rogue you don't need perception. a rogue needs the ability to come out of roots so he can dps more. that is it. that is their only job. a rouge doesnt stealth then go around looking for other rogues. he goes and scouts for the healer saps him then dps's.

if we were talking about mages or priests then sure, make the human, but as a rogue no.
Lol are you joking if you are playing another rogue or hell even a druid team and you get the opener you are at a HUGE advantage in the game. I'd take the ability to win the game in the first 15 seconds over getting out of a root every 1.75 minutes. DPS is not a rogues only job in arena btw.

A shadowstep rogue has PLENTY of mobility that is not what they are worried about.

[Plagued]

um no... if your a rogue you don't need perception. a rogue needs the ability to come out of roots so he can dps more. that is it. that is their only job. a rouge doesnt stealth then go around looking for other rogues. he goes and scouts for the healer saps him then dps's.

if we were talking about mages or priests then sure, make the human, but as a rogue no.

You obviously don't have any competitive experience in this game.

Along with what the others have said this is also wrong because NElfs agi really plays no part end game...all races stats for all intents and purposes equal out at 70. Rolling a NE Rogue you get SHADOWMELD OMG YES and 1% chance to get owned by a warrior even more than other rogues.

NE rogue = stick a tag on it and call it retarded. At least if you understood your options before you rolled it.


EDIT: But gnomes do backflips when they kick. So roll gnome.

Since when is dodge bad? That's like the old saying that popping Evasion is bad against Warriors, it isn't.

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Human for Alliance, Undead for Horde.

[AZZt0ni0]

Lol are you joking if you are playing another rogue or hell even a druid team and you get the opener you are at a HUGE advantage in the game. I'd take the ability to win the game in the first 15 seconds over getting out of a root every 1.75 minutes. DPS is not a rogues only job in arena btw.

A shadowstep rogue has PLENTY of mobility that is not what they are worried about.

you right. they sap too :P im not bashing perception. im just saying that a rogue using it is pointless. perception is better on a clothy (a usuall first target) once spotted the clothy will root or fear the rogue. if the target was a priest its time for him to do his job and run around and take tons of hits (discipline is no joke) The rest of the team was waiting for this to occur (because it always does) pom pyro's/booms said rogue. the mage/boomkin and lock start attacking the warrior (this is to much for him to handle) and your rogue is left annoying the priest till the rest of the team is dead.

btw 1.75min. for escape isn't bad when you have the medallion of the horde (or alliance varient) and a fear ward on you. thats 3 times your not feared/rooted etc.

btw it would be nice to know what we're supposed to be arguing about. is op talking about pve or pvp?

[Plagued]

you right. they sap too :P im not bashing perception. im just saying that a rogue using it is pointless. perception is better on a clothy (a usuall first target) once spotted the clothy will root or fear the rogue. if the target was a priest its time for him to do his job and run around and take tons of hits (discipline is no joke) The rest of the team was waiting for this to occur (because it always does) pom pyro's/booms said rogue. the mage/boomkin and lock start attacking the warrior (this is to much for him to handle) and your rogue is left annoying the priest till the rest of the team is dead.

btw 1.75min. for escape isn't bad when you have the medallion of the horde (or alliance varient) and a fear ward on you. thats 3 times your not feared/rooted etc.

btw it would be nice to know what we're supposed to be arguing about. is op talking about pve or pvp?

Well since this is on the MLG website where MLG is having a PC Circuit, i'd assume that anybody on here will be talking about PvP Arenas, unless stated otherwise beforehand. It would be dumb on the OP's part if he is posting about PvE though, due to this being in a competitive gaming forum.

But no, having the ability to Sap a Rogue in Arenas (Where there are tons of Rogues) is incredibly powerful. It would be stupid to pass it up.

[AZZt0ni0]

Well since this is on the MLG website where MLG is having a PC Circuit, i'd assume that anybody on here will be talking about PvP Arenas, unless stated otherwise beforehand. It would be dumb on the OP's part if he is posting about PvE though, due to this being in a competitive gaming forum.

But no, having the ability to Sap a Rogue in Arenas (Where there are tons of Rogues) is incredibly powerful. It would be stupid to pass it up.

with threads like this you can never be to careful.
http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168549

i guess. sapping rogues is just not what any of my teams have done. we are horde anyway so this human this alliance stuff is over my head.

[SiqK]

I have never seen a rogue pop evasion against a smart warrior and live to tell about it. Ever.

[GadgetCopter]

with threads like this you can never be to careful.
http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168549

i guess. sapping rogues is just not what any of my teams have done. we are horde anyway so this human this alliance stuff is over my head.

Why would you not want to sap the rogue, it eliminates his opener. Hell he could even be a retard and trinket it which pretty much gives you an easy win. Not trying to sap the rogue is dumb.

[AZZt0ni0]

Why would you not want to sap the rogue, it eliminates his opener. Hell he could even be a retard and trinket it which pretty much gives you an easy win. Not trying to sap the rogue is dumb.

some would say not sapping the healer first would be dumb. not everyone plays the same way.

besides. rogue openers don't mean anything if you don't stall. go in and get it done.

[GadgetCopter]

some would say not sapping the healer first would be dumb. not everyone plays the same way.

besides. rogue openers don't mean anything if you don't stall. go in and get it done.
Against any halfway decent team you wont be bursting anyone down in 1 second. Not to mention if you don't pick the rogue up out of stealth you are basically allowing them the same burst opportunity.

You can still sap the healer if you really want to, you sap the rogue just to get him out of stealth, which makes everything much easier. even if you sap the healer, against a player who knows what to do you are 99.999% of the time you aren't going to burst the player down in under 10 seconds.

[AZZt0ni0]

Against any halfway decent team you wont be bursting anyone down in 1 second. Not to mention if you don't pick the rogue up out of stealth you are basically allowing them the same burst opportunity.

You can still sap the healer if you really want to, you sap the rogue just to get him out of stealth, which makes everything much easier. even if you sap the healer, against a player who knows what to do you are 99.999% of the time you aren't going to burst the player down in under 10 seconds.

a pom pyro and a boomkin say different. <--- my greatest fear. to hard to heal with them.

[Fox_pro]

a pom pyro and a boomkin say different. <--- my greatest fear. to hard to heal with them.

Rofl. frost is the only viable spec for mages.
3 minute mages suck in Arena. against +1800 that is.

[DesertGlory6969]

wow I'm surprised no one flamed you guys for playing WoW. I do not play but i sure support you guys that do. The game is tough and takes more skill, teamwork, and dedication than any other game on the circut. I SUPPORT WORLD OF WARCRAFT! Oh and if anyone flames you. F them.

[Ghost828]

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=6CBBC0BA014E9C1A80107FED078 9C292.app11_08?topicId=14542046&sid=1
look under the rogue races section and you will find your answer

[AZZt0ni0]

i got it! gnomes are better because they are small as hell and hard to click on :D

[clashed007]

wow I'm surprised no one flamed you guys for playing WoW. I do not play but i sure support you guys that do. The game is tough and takes more skill, teamwork, and dedication than any other game on the circut. I SUPPORT WORLD OF WARCRAFT! Oh and if anyone flames you. F them.
lol a pre-emptive flame on would be flamers...

[Bydlona]

Assuming we are talking about PvP here, Humans and Gnomes are the best for their racial traits. If you're doing arena I would say go Human cuz they get perception and a boost to their Mace skill which is what most of the good Arena Rogues use for their ability to stunlock the **** out of others. For General PvP its up to you, escape artist is really nice and with Vanish you can make a nice getaway out of a sticky situation.

[An_Epic_Name]

wow I'm surprised no one flamed you guys for playing WoW. I do not play but i sure support you guys that do. The game is tough and takes more skill, teamwork, and dedication than any other game on the circut. I SUPPORT WORLD OF WARCRAFT! Oh and if anyone flames you. F them.
For someone to come into the World of Warcraft section of the forums and flame for playing is just plain retarded.

[SiqK]

He wasnt flaming.....why dont we read the post before jumping to conclusions.

[its_Jbo]

i have to go with plagued he sounds the most sufficent here and the best ty alot dude

[Plagued]

i have to go with plagued he sounds the most sufficent here and the best ty alot dude

No problem. :)

[AZZt0ni0]

in the end racials don't hold a huge percentage of weight in pvp. if they did the game would be unbalanced.

[Rootz]

in the end racials don't hold a huge percentage of weight in pvp. if they did the game would be unbalanced.

this is hilarious

[Plagued]

in the end racials don't hold a huge percentage of weight in pvp. if they did the game would be unbalanced.

This is wrong. : /

[AZZt0ni0]

This is wrong. : /

i like how you don't explain your side. instead i will. the racials are lastly used. if you were right the horde would have a significant disadvantage, and that is not true. the racials are to weak to sway most battles. The dwarfs racial doesn't last long enough to keep any damage off of him. the dranei can't heal that much with "the gift of narru" for healing over time doesn't work well in pvp. night elf's dodge rate bonus is very small, the undead have WOTF and the gnomes escape, but fear ward and the medallion has now trumped the importance of this. perception only works if the target is inexperienced where most rogues can counter getting jumped first (sprint talent.) tauren stun for 2 sec. is far froma stun lock. blood fury is often let to where off (plus 50% less healing is not good.) trolls don't have anything useful. blood elves can only silence for 2sec. 95% of the game is based on class skills, 5% is racials. i think the math clears that up.

if race REALLY mattered then people would care what race was on their team when doing arena. no teams i know cares what race is used.

[GadgetCopter]

i like how you don't explain your side. instead i will. the racials are lastly used. if you were right the horde would have a significant disadvantage, and that is not true. the racials are to weak to sway most battles. The dwarfs racial doesn't last long enough to keep any damage off of him. the dranei can't heal that much with "the gift of narru" for healing over time doesn't work well in pvp. night elf's dodge rate bonus is very small, the undead have WOTF and the gnomes escape, but fear ward and the medallion has now trumped the importance of this. perception only works if the target is inexperienced where most rogues can counter getting jumped first (sprint talent.) tauren stun for 2 sec. is far froma stun lock. blood fury is often let to where off (plus 50% less healing is not good.) trolls don't have anything useful. blood elves can only silence for 2sec. 95% of the game is based on class skills, 5% is racials. i think the math clears that up.

if race REALLY mattered then people would care what race was on their team when doing arena. no teams i know cares what race is used.
Lol?

Obviously not every racial will be good, racials aren't the most important thing ever but they are definitely a HUGE advantage if you have a good one.

For example the dwarf racial that apparently doesnt last long enough is actually amazing for rogues, it removes bleeds and gives dward rogues a pretty significant upper hand over warriors, a class that normally gives rogues a really tough fight.

You're going to sprint away from perception? really? unless you have perception as well the rogue with perception will see you from so much further away you wont even know where he is yet, you can't just sprint away from a perception. You just keep pointing to the fact that you really have no idea what you're talking about.

The tauren racial, war stomp, is amazing for any class really. For example druids can either escape (something druids have to do a lot in arena) or they can toss up a good amount of heling in that time. and this is only 1 part of their racial they also have an additional 5% health.

the night elf racial is pretty decent for mana classes, it allows you to eath and stealth at the same time.

to say that they don't play a large part in the game is retarded and you are showing that you honestly have no idea what you're talking about (more so than when you suggested a pom pyro mage for arena.)

[AZZt0ni0]

Lol?

Obviously not every racial will be good, racials aren't the most important thing ever but they are definitely a HUGE advantage if you have a good one.

For example the dwarf racial that apparently doesnt last long enough is actually amazing for rogues, it removes bleeds and gives dward rogues a pretty significant upper hand over warriors, a class that normally gives rogues a really tough fight.

You're going to sprint away from perception? really? unless you have perception as well the rogue with perception will see you from so much further away you wont even know where he is yet, you can't just sprint away from a perception. You just keep pointing to the fact that you really have no idea what you're talking about.

The tauren racial, war stomp, is amazing for any class really. For example druids can either escape (something druids have to do a lot in arena) or they can toss up a good amount of heling in that time. and this is only 1 part of their racial they also have an additional 5% health.

the night elf racial is pretty decent for mana classes, it allows you to eath and stealth at the same time.

to say that they don't play a large part in the game is retarded and you are showing that you honestly have no idea what you're talking about (more so than when you suggested a pom pyro mage for arena.)

you contradicted yourself on the bold. as for sprint i was implying that they would get a "movement imparing effect put on them" and if specced in combat sprint breaks this. it usually is implyed in the games ive been in (sorry that was confusing.) if the rogue does not stealth then the skill is useless. apparently in higher rated teams this is anticipated, so in the mlg no one will stealth.

war stomp will stun someone then 2 sec. later they will still have the advantage on you.

we are talking about pvp. night elfs eating and stealthing doesn't matter.

as for dwarf rogues... didn't we just discuss how they are inferior to humans and third to gnomes?

i also did some lurking and i did find however that priests do get better heals as a dwarf, so i guess that i something good. i don't do as much arena as most pros, but have done enough to know that racials are nothing to dwell on when learning your class is far more important.

[GadgetCopter]

you contradicted yourself on the bold. as for sprint i was implying that they would get a "movement imparing effect put on them" and if specced in combat sprint breaks this. it usually is implyed in the games ive been in (sorry that was confusing.) if the rogue does not stealth then the skill is useless. apparently in higher rated teams this is anticipated, so in the mlg no one will stealth.

war stomp will stun someone then 2 sec. later they will still have the advantage on you.

we are talking about pvp. night elfs eating and stealthing doesn't matter.

as for dwarf rogues... didn't we just discuss how they are inferior to humans and third to gnomes?

i also did some lurking and i did find however that priests do get better heals as a dwarf, so i guess that i something good. i don't do as much arena as most pros, but have done enough to know that racials are nothing to dwell on when learning your class is far more important.
1. That's not a contradiction at all, they aren't the most important factor but they definitely play a LARGE role in high rating arenas. Also wtf would a rogue not stealth? that's retarded, no one does that.

2. Lol what kind of rogue specs combat anymore? Shadowstep is FAR superior ever since the nerf to AR prep. If you aren't speccing Shadow step the only real other otption at the moment if you want a good spec is mutilate.

3 They wont have the upper hand 2 seconds later. Think about it like this you're in nagrand arena and the druid gets caught in the middle or hell even near one pole. if he war stomps he can go travel form and make it to another pole before his attacker has the chance to stop him basically this would give hum an uncontested chance to fully heal his team. Druids in arena are all about gettiung away, having a skill that lets them get away without having to worry about getting beat for 2 seconds or allowing for the person to stop them is AMAZING in pvp.

4. You can stealth and drink in arena, any good night elf does it. It definitely has its uses in pvp. It isn't the BEST skill in arena but it has some very nice uses.

5. It depends you could easily make a case that a dwarf is just as good if not better than a gnome for pvp because of stoneform. Warriors are easily one of the hardest classes for rogues and having the ability to remove their bleeds and reset the fight whenever you want is an AMAZING ability.

[AZZt0ni0]

1. That's not a contradiction at all, they aren't the most important factor but they definitely play a LARGE role in high rating arenas. Also wtf would a rogue not stealth? that's retarded, no one does that.

2. Lol what kind of rogue specs combat anymore? Shadowstep is FAR superior ever since the nerf to AR prep. If you aren't speccing Shadow step the only real other otption at the moment if you want a good spec is mutilate.

3 They wont have the upper hand 2 seconds later. Think about it like this you're in nagrand arena and the druid gets caught in the middle or hell even near one pole. if he war stomps he can go travel form and make it to another pole before his attacker has the chance to stop him basically this would give hum an uncontested chance to fully heal his team. Druids in arena are all about gettiung away, having a skill that lets them get away without having to worry about getting beat for 2 seconds or allowing for the person to stop them is AMAZING in pvp.

4. You can stealth and drink in arena, any good night elf does it. It definitely has its uses in pvp. It isn't the BEST skill in arena but it has some very nice uses.

5. It depends you could easily make a case that a dwarf is just as good if not better than a gnome for pvp because of stoneform. Warriors are easily one of the hardest classes for rogues and having the ability to remove their bleeds and reset the fight whenever you want is an AMAZING ability.

my counterpoints to counterpoints (isnt this a little drawn out lol)


1. if a rogue stealths and knows he is going to get caught then why would he do it? i wouldn't like to get jumped.

2. your right in some degree. some people still prefer maces and stun locking.

3. druids don't heal in pvp. what you just said could be done by a disc priest 1000 times better.

4. no one eats/drinks while in arena. besides you can't stealth or eat while in combat which you are the whole time.

5. this is a battle of favorites now. rogues are rogues. wars are wars. race does not change what they do.

this is also something to look at. post #5. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7040445520&postId=70340221133&sid=1#3

[Lycra]

While gnomes are clearly the best race ever, they definitely don't come anywhere near humans as far as pvp racials. For the most part honestly I would take human over undead, getting the opener on a rogue is almost an auto win.

Prevanish works wonders. Undead > human.

[GadgetCopter]

my counterpoints to counterpoints (isnt this a little drawn out lol)

1. if a rogue stealths and knows he is going to get caught then why would he do it? i wouldn't like to get jumped.

2. your right in some degree. some people still prefer maces and stun locking.

3. druids don't heal in pvp. what you just said could be done by a disc priest 1000 times better.

4. no one eats/drinks while in arena. besides you can't stealth or eat while in combat which you are the whole time.

5. this is a battle of favorites now. rogues are rogues. wars are wars. race does not change what they do.
You just showed that you have never played arena.

I'm going to make this quick because I am still laughing. Druids are the best healers in 2v2 and 3v3 bar none, disc priest are up there with them though and they are better in 5s. You can prefer that I suppose, but that doesnt make it good. You aren't in combat the whole time in arena, you can get out fairly easily. race does change a rogue vs warrior because stoneform allows the rogue to vanish and reset the fight at will.

Also, the mage supporting your point in that post is has full vengefull (except shoulders) and a 1840 rating. That speaks a little bit about his skill. It's also irrelivent because I was talking about the power of perception when used on a rogue who already hs a high stealth detection range.

Prevanish works wonders. Undead > human.
You can definitely do that, I never argued that undead wasn't as good as a human rogue. I simply said that human > all other alliance rogue races.

[AZZt0ni0]

You just showed that you have never played arena.

I'm going to make this quick because I am still laughing. Druids are the best healers in 2v2 and 3v3 bar none, disc priest are up there with them though and they are better in 5s. You can prefer that I suppose, but that doesnt make it good. You aren't in combat the whole time in arena, you can get out fairly easily. race does change a rogue vs warrior because stoneform allows the rogue to vanish and reset the fight at will.

your laughing? me too. because you just said that priests are not the best healers which complety shows how little you know about them. and did you read the link. perception is overrated according to people that actually use it. druids are only good for that aoe heal they have. other than that they are just getting beat up on by the dps. disc priests can take a hell of a lot more hits. stoneform doesn't work if he is still in combat, so no stealth for him esspecially if he has a dot on him which i promis you... he will.

don't just say i know little about arena when i am clearly backing up my statements |:- |

[GadgetCopter]

your laughing? me too. because you just said that priests are not the best healers which complety shows how little you know about them. and did you read the link. perception is overrated according to people that actually use it. druids are only good for that aoe heal they have. other than that they are just getting beat up on by the dps. disc priests can take a hell of a lot more hits. stoneform doesn't work if he is still in combat, so no stealth for him.
You have no idea what you're talking about honestly... Druids can take an amazing amount of damage not to mention they have the most mobility of any class in the game, oh yeah and they don't have any cast time on their best heals. The only usefull time to use tranquility is when you get pushed to the bottom of blades edge and you really need to scrable to heal the people on the bridge. It's also a 10 MINUTE CD. honestly wtf are you talking about

Stoneform is useable in combat I don't know where the hell you got that from.


You're backing up your statements with false info. While it does depend on your setup as to who is the best healer, druids have far more high level team comps than priests.

[ACzDC]

your laughing? me too. because you just said that priests are not the best healers which complety shows how little you know about them. and did you read the link. perception is overrated according to people that actually use it. druids are only good for that aoe heal they have. other than that they are just getting beat up on by the dps. disc priests can take a hell of a lot more hits. stoneform doesn't work if he is still in combat, so no stealth for him esspecially if he has a dot on him which i promis you... he will.

don't just say i know little about arena when i am clearly backing up my statements |:- |
Druids don't get many chances to use tranquility in arenas, and its not even close to their best heals. You can use stoneform in combat, and if you have a dot on you, you have CloS (warriors don't have any dots besides bleeds which is what stoneform is for). You aren't backing up any of your statements at all, you are really just making your self look like a retard.

[Lycra]

Here is a little list of the best races for classes.

Rogue - Undead
Priest - Dwarf
Warrior - Tauren/orc tie
Warlock - Undead/orc/gnome
Druid - Tauren
Shaman- Orc/Tauren
Mage - Gnome/Undead
Hunter - Orc/Night elf
Paladin - Dwarf

[ACzDC]

Here is a little list of the best races for classes.

Rogue - Undead
Priest - Dwarf
Warrior - Tauren/orc tie
Warlock - Undead/orc/gnome
Druid - Tauren
Shaman- Orc/Tauren
Mage - Gnome/Undead
Hunter - Orc/Night elf
Paladin - Dwarf
Dwarf is def the best hunter ally race. And gnome isn't a very good warlock race either.

[Lycra]

Gnome is one of the best warlock classes... Escape artist honestly works wonders..... If a pro knows how to use escape artist at the right time it can really change the game.

[AZZt0ni0]

You have no idea what you're talking about honestly... Druids can take an amazing amount of damage not to mention they have the most mobility of any class in the game, oh yeah and they don't have any cast time on their best heals. The only usefull time to use tranquility is when you get pushed to the bottom of blades edge and you really need to scrable to heal the people on the bridge. It's all a 10 MINUTE CD. honestly wtf are you talking about

your not proving me wrong... your just saying i don't know what im talking about. im saying that what your suggesting is not possible when your in combat. flight form is not possible while in combat.

read the first link
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=flight+form+

here is my second proof
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=stealth+cannot+be+used+while+in+combat

what you are saying is not possible in arena

[GadgetCopter]

Here is a little list of the best races for classes.

Rogue - Undead
Priest - Dwarf
Warrior - Tauren/orc tie
Warlock - Undead/orc/gnome
Druid - Tauren
Shaman- Orc/Tauren
Mage - Gnome/Undead
Hunter - Orc/Night elf
Paladin - Dwarf

meh to some of them, I'd take a human warlock over gnome, id take a dwarf over NE hunter. And human is definitely on par with undead for rogues now that every 3v3 team has a rogue.

[GadgetCopter]

your not proving me wrong... your just saying i don't know what im talking about. im saying that what your suggesting is not possible when your in combat. flight form is not possible while in combat.

read the first link
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=flight+form+

here is my second proof
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=stealth+cannot+be+used+while+in+combat

what you are saying is not possible in arena
Wha... What?

No one ever said flight form?

I guess if you only read the first and last sentence then yeah im not proving you wrong at all, but if you read the body i'm doing just that EVERY SINGLE TIME.

[ACzDC]

Gnome is one of the best warlock classes... Escape artist honestly works wonders..... If a pro knows how to use escape artist at the right time it can really change the game.
Escape artist isn't really that sweet for warlocks imo, with warriors spamming hamstring/ them having intercept it might get you away for a little bit, and with rogues having shadowstep/stuns I don't see it being being that great. It is def a melee skill imo.

[AZZt0ni0]

Wha... What?

No one ever said flight form?

I guess if you only read the first and last sentence then yeah im not proving you wrong at all, but if you read the body i'm doing just that EVERY SINGLE TIME.



3. They wont have the upper hand 2 seconds later. Think about it like this you're in nagrand arena and the druid gets caught in the middle or hell even near one pole. if he war stomps he can go travel form and make it to another pole before his attacker has the chance to stop him basically this would give hum an uncontested chance to fully heal his team.

yes you did.

[GadgetCopter]

yes you did.
um?

Travel form =/= flight form

try again?

also since you haven't had any clue as to what a druid can do so far. Druids travel from (any form actually) removes ALL MOVEMENT IMPAIRING effects and POLYMORPH if you don't think that is godly you need to uninstall.

[ACzDC]

yes you did.
Really?

[AZZt0ni0]

um?

Travel form =/= flight form

try again?

this is still about whether or not you can stealth in combat... YOU CANT!

[GadgetCopter]

this is still about whether or not you can stealth in combat... YOU CANT!
TAVEL FORM AND RUN AWAY DUMBASS YOU DONT NEED TO STEALTH

where does flight form come into stealthing in combat? you can't stealth in flight from so wtf are you saying?

if you are referring to the rogue vs warrior fight as far as restealth, you STONE FORM AND VANISH = FIGHT RESET.

omfg

[ACzDC]

this is still about whether or not you can stealth in combat... YOU CANT!
Really?
EDIT: Okay, I'm done... Mainly because its to the point where I think you're joking around and just trying to get me to reply. If you're not I feel bad. pz

[AZZt0ni0]

TAVEL FORM AND RUN AWAY DUMBASS YOU DONT NEED TO STEALTH

if you are referring to the rogue vs warrior fight as far as restealth, you STONE FORM AND VANISH = FIGHT RESET.

omfg

and about 99% of the time they won't get away with it. everyone is paired up. in a 3v3 and a 2v2 like you say you do... this STILL would not be possible. a team has to be totaly out of it if they let someone mana/heal up on the sidelines.

[GadgetCopter]

and about 99% of the time they won't get away with it. everyone is paired up. in a 3v3 and a 2v2 like you say you do... this STILL would not be possible. a team has to be totaly out of it if they let someone mana/heal up on the sidelines.
You don't need to get to full mana

1-2 ticks of the drink is amazing and with shadowmeld you can definitely get 1-2

This also has nothing to do with the travel from/flight form (lol) thing. I didn't say to run away to drink. It's more of a if you have the opening thing.

Heres a druid skills for dummies guide for you.. you start out stealth the begining of the game and once you need to heal you come out of stealth. Anytime you start to get focused you go bear to reduce damage. Once you need to heal your teammate YOU TRAVEL FORM TO GET AWAY AND THROW UP INSTANT HEALS (lifebloom). Now this is very very very basic but the general idea stays the same.aa

[ACzDC]

and about 99% of the time they won't get away with it. everyone is paired up. in a 3v3 and a 2v2 like you say you do... this STILL would not be possible. a team has to be totaly out of it if they let someone mana/heal up on the sidelines.
Sorry, you are a dumbass. Mainly because of your retarded posts about stuff you CLEARLY do not understand, and partially because I just read your username and wtf.... Really?

[Lycra]

and about 99% of the time they won't get away with it. everyone is paired up. in a 3v3 and a 2v2 like you say you do... this STILL would not be possible. a team has to be totaly out of it if they let someone mana/heal up on the sidelines.


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL..........

[AZZt0ni0]

Sorry, you are a dumbass. Mainly because of your retarded posts about stuff you CLEARLY do not understand, and partially because I just read your username and wtf.... Really?

yes i may have been wrong, but i try to discuss and that's what forums are for. if your going to write stuff like this then you have missed that point.

now that we have astablished that i am wrong on the stealth issue. can we talk about the uses of the drinking. at the moment i believe that while in process of it a rogue might stun lock you.

[GadgetCopter]

yes i may have been wrong, but i try to make points and that's what forums are for. if your going to write stuff like this then you have missed the point of what they are for.

now that we have astablished that i am wrong on the stealth issue. can we talk about the uses of the drinking. at the moment i believe that while in process of it a rogue might stun lock you.
You don't do it while you are being focused, you can't do it every time but when you get an opening you run away out of line of sight and drink for 1-2 ticks 3 if you are lucky. while you are drinking you can stealth meaning they will actually have to be near you and target you in order to break your stealth and stop your drinking

Rogue don't just have a stun lock button, it's just not always that easy.

[ACzDC]

yes i may have been wrong, but i try to discuss and that's what forums are for. if your going to write stuff like this then you have missed that point.

now that we have astablished that i am wrong on the stealth issue. can we talk about the uses of the drinking. at the moment i believe that while in process of it a rogue might stun lock you.
1 question, do you have a lvl70? And also, I know I have been acting like a **** towards you... But, you have been wrong about everything you have posted so far in this thread. You clearly haven't been playing long (or I hope so). So I guess you have an excuse.

[AZZt0ni0]

You don't do it while you are being focused, you can't do it every time but when you get an opening you run away out of line of sight and drink for 1-2 ticks 3 if you are lucky. while you are drinking you can stealth meaning they will actually have to be near you and target you in order to break your stealth and stop your drinking

Rogue don't just have a stun lock button, it's just not always that easy.

now that ive heard of this it is interesting to find how this effects the mlg. im not entirely how i feel on this. part of me says that it takes skill to do this and will become a distinct strategy that mixes up gameplay. part of me says that this should not be allowed. the WoW forum ive been talking too while on this is split as well.

[GadgetCopter]

now that ive heard of this it is interesting to find how this effects the mlg. im not entirely how i feel on this. part of me says that it takes skill to do this and will become a distinct strategy that mixes up gameplay. part of me says that this should not be allowed. the WoW forum ive been talking too while on this is split as well.

It's already used by every single good mana user in the game, it's not a question of if it will come into play; it's already here and has been for a long time.

[ACzDC]

now that ive heard of this it is interesting to find how this effects the mlg. im not entirely how i feel on this. part of me says that it takes skill to do this and will become a distinct strategy that mixes up gameplay. part of me says that this should not be allowed. the WoW forum ive been talking too while on this is split as well.
Drinking shouldn't be allowed really wtf, and sorry to burst your bubble but people have been doing this since forever... IDK what forum you have been posting on, but it is obviously not a very intelligent one.

[AZZt0ni0]

1 question, do you have a lvl70? And also, I know I have been acting like a **** towards you... But, you have been wrong about everything you have posted so far in this thread. You clearly haven't been playing long (or I hope so). So I guess you have an excuse.


"but it is obviously not a very intelligent one." it was about whether or not drinking should be allowed. my wrong opinions are my own lol.

i admitted to being wrong a few posts back (i too have been acting like a ****.) and yes i do have a 70http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Mug%27thol&n=Holius
highest rated team i was on was 5v5 1700 on my old server (good for a cassual) but i talk mainly from what i see my friends do. the times i have seen them play i havn't seen these things occur, but i guess thats the point of eating in pvp.

disregard the low 2v2 rating. someone whispered me and sayed he'd give me a free 2v2. havn't used it since then.

[Troll342]

lol a pre-emptive flame on would be flamers...
Hes in my sig :lol:

[Raithe]

3. druids don't heal in pvp. what you just said could be done by a disc priest 1000 times better.


I lol'd IRL. Funny thread. It's obvious you've never played competetive arenas dude :/

About the original topic, human rogue is the best rogue PvP race atm (atleast on alliance), perception when used right is insanely overpowered in arenas. If you're running double rogue in 2v2 or a double rogue healer comp in 3v3 and one of the rogues is human and find the druid.. game over, right there.

[Blonde]

I lol'd IRL. Funny thread. It's obvious you've never played competetive arenas dude :/

About the original topic, human rogue is the best rogue PvP race atm (atleast on alliance), perception when used right is insanely overpowered in arenas. If you're running double rogue in 2v2 or a double rogue healer comp in 3v3 and one of the rogues is human and find the druid.. game over, right there.

Its pretty ridiculous ran rogue rogue druid the other day and if our rogue found the druid while perception was up we won every single time.

[l D3FAULT l]

Jesus christ where is Ming or somebody who knows what there talking about when you need them.....

Human Rog=Best for Alliance
You use perception to sap the other rog if you can but your main focus is finding there stealthed healer ie. Druid and doing so gives you a big advantage.
Undead Rog=Best for Horde
You get an extra fear break which can be gamebreaking at some points, overall its just another fear break.

[Viscus]

Azz, you're retarded.

k.

"LOL SAPPING A ROGUE SO HE CANT CHEAP SHOT IS STUPID!"

[Viscus]

Here is a little list of the best races for classes.

Rogue - Undead
Priest - Dwarf
Warrior - Tauren/orc tie
Warlock - Undead/orc/gnome
Druid - Tauren
Shaman- Orc/Tauren
Mage - Gnome/Undead
Hunter - Orc/Night elf
Paladin - Dwarf

Let's break it down a tad better, plus you got some wrong.

Rogue:
Aliance - Human
Horde - Undead

Priest:
Alliance - Nelf or Human, shadowmeld and perception are equally useful at the beggining of the game for a priest.
Horde - Undead

Warrior:
Alliance - Human
Horde - Tauren/Undead, toss up

Warlock:
Alliance - Human
Horde - Orc

Druid:
Can only be one race on each side.

Shaman:
Alliance - Draenei only
Horde - Tauren

Mage:
Alliance - Gnome
Horde - Undead

Hunter:
Alliance - Night Elf
Horde - Orc

Paladin:
Alliance - Dwarf
Horde - Belf only

[AZZt0ni0]

do these work as well in 5v5's is what i care about. druid in any 2v2 3v3 will win. this is less true in 5v5. but now that we have astablished the rogue is going to get caught what is the point now?

[Viscus]

do these work as well in 5v5's is what i care about. druid in any 2v2 3v3 will win. this is less true in 5v5. but now that we have astablished the rogue is going to get caught what is the point now?

wait...

what?

A shadowstep has ~15 cool downs including prep.

If you run out during a match, you need to reroll a new character.

You admit yourself you don't arena at competitive levels, why are you giving advice about it?

[Lycra]

Let's break it down a tad better, plus you got some wrong.

Rogue:
Aliance - Human
Horde - Undead

Priest:
Alliance - Nelf or Human, shadowmeld and perception are equally useful at the beggining of the game for a priest.
Horde - Undead

Warrior:
Alliance - Human
Horde - Tauren/Undead, toss up

Warlock:
Alliance - Human
Horde - Orc

Druid:
Can only be one race on each side.

Shaman:
Alliance - Draenei only
Horde - Tauren

Mage:
Alliance - Gnome
Horde - Undead

Hunter:
Alliance - Night Elf
Horde - Orc

Paladin:
Alliance - Dwarf
Horde - Belf only

I was posting best race overall for each class. Not for each faction.

[Lycra]

Jesus christ where is Ming or somebody who knows what there talking about when you need them.....

Human Rog=Best for Alliance
You use perception to sap the other rog if you can but your main focus is finding there stealthed healer ie. Druid and doing so gives you a big advantage.
Undead Rog=Best for Horde
You get an extra fear break which can be gamebreaking at some points, overall its just another fear break.

Ming fanboy much???

[Lycra]

wait...

what?

A shadowstep has ~15 cool downs including prep.

If you run out during a match, you need to reroll a new character.

You admit yourself you don't arena at competitive levels, why are you giving advice about it?

Who the hell is being conservative in arena now days? Most games you have to play aggressive to win...

[Viscus]

Who the hell is being conservative in arena now days? Most games you have to play aggressive to win...

Most teams with a rogue don't need to blow up their dps target with the exception of something like PMR.

I'm running resto druid/disc priest/SLSL lock or rogue. Very defensive game, very long game.

[Lycra]

Most teams with a rogue don't need to blow up their dps target with the exception of something like PMR.

I'm running resto druid/disc priest/SLSL lock or rogue. Very defensive game, very long game.


Rofl turtle team.... Easy much? Turtle teams were made for people who cannot run a 3v3 with a designated dps/dps/healer. FAIL.

[AZZt0ni0]

Rofl turtle team.... Easy much? Turtle teams were made for people who cannot run a 3v3 with a designated dps/dps/healer. FAIL.

no lie turtling is a tactic. why kill the other team when you can outlast them. work for muhammad ali :lol:

[Viscus]

Rofl turtle team.... Easy much? Turtle teams were made for people who cannot run a 3v3 with a designated dps/dps/healer. FAIL.

If it's easy, run one, and link me your armory when you hit 2400.

2 healer/dps teams have to have perfect cc and communication or else they lose.

For example, if my team plays a PMR, when we're pressuring the mage and he ice blocks, we have to have very good timing on Mass Dispell/cyclones.

I really hate it when people claim something is easy when they have no leg to stand on. The team who won the arena round one wasn't a turtle team, guess it isn't that easy eh?

[Lycra]

If it's easy, run one, and link me your armory when you hit 2400.

2 healer/dps teams have to have perfect cc and communication or else they lose.

For example, if my team plays a PMR, when we're pressuring the mage and he ice blocks, we have to have very good timing on Mass Dispell/cyclones.

I really hate it when people claim something is easy when they have no leg to stand on. The team who won the arena round one wasn't a turtle team, guess it isn't that easy eh?

Turtle teams are easy to play. Enough said. They are for bad healers who can't heal a target alone and need backup help.

[IChaserI]

rogues are teh ghey

[GadgetCopter]

Turtle teams are easy to play. Enough said. They are for bad healers who can't heal a target alone and need backup help.

or they are for people who enjoy a passive playstyle... No one cares if you get destroyed by 2 healer teams at 1500

[Lycra]

or they are for people who enjoy a passive playstyle... No one cares if you get destroyed by 2 healer teams at 1500

Double healer is the easy way out.

[Viscus]

or they are for people who enjoy a passive playstyle... No one cares if you get destroyed by 2 healer teams at 1500

It's anything but passive.

I have to help dps, the priest is the MH and also the main mana drain, and the fear has to monitor 12-16 dots and fear DR's.

If my team catches you in queues (we're at 1600, finally found a decent lock right before we stopped for the night), let me know how bad I am.

I have to:
heal a pet against double melee, have 2 forms of cc up at all times, monitor opponents hp to know when I should be feral charging/bashing something, etc.

I'm not sitting in tree form spamming lifebloom all match.

[GadgetCopter]

It's anything but passive.

I have to help dps, the priest is the MH and also the main mana drain, and the fear has to monitor 12-16 dots and fear DR's.

If my team catches you in queues (we're at 1600, finally found a decent lock right before we stopped for the night), let me know how bad I am.

I have to:
heal a pet against double melee, have 2 forms of cc up at all times, monitor opponents hp to know when I should be feral charging/bashing something, etc.

I'm not sitting in tree form spamming lifebloom all match.

1. I didn't say anything negative about you in that post... so basically stfu.

2. Those are all jobs that the druid/priest is going to be doing anyway. Except now they are doing them together, making it WHAT DO YOU KNOW much more passive.

[Viscus]

1. I didn't say anything negative about you in that post... so basically stfu.

2. Those are all jobs that the druid/priest is going to be doing anyway. Except now they are doing them together, making it WHAT DO YOU KNOW much more passive.

I only quoted you to show where I got the passive word from. Having to balance all of our cc, drains, and positioning so we dont get blown up by PMR's and Double melee bursts while not having enough dps on our team to be able to burst anything on the other team isn't my definition of passive.

The other team's cc can be more lax because if I'm not cyclone'd, I'm not going to starfire their dps for 5k. If we screw up our cc late game, I can get hit with an insta-gib while our priest has 5% mana and no cooldowns.

The person I'm "mad" at is Lycra, as he's trying to make it seem I run around in tree form, afk, just mashing lifebloom while I watch tv.

[GadgetCopter]

I only quoted you to show where I got the passive word from. Having to balance all of our cc, drains, and positioning so we dont get blown up by PMR's and Double melee bursts while not having enough dps on our team to be able to burst anything on the other team isn't my definition of passive.

The other team's cc can be more lax because if I'm not cyclone'd, I'm not going to starfire their dps for 5k. If we screw up our cc late game, I can get hit with an insta-gib while our priest has 5% mana and no cooldowns.

The person I'm "mad" at is Lycra, as he's trying to make it seem I run around in tree form, afk, just mashing lifebloom while I watch tv.
Are you playing dreamstate resto or something? or just straight up full blown boomkin

[Viscus]

Are you playing dreamstate resto or something? or just straight up full blown boomkin

11/11/38

insect swarm (probably going to drop this, really only useful for duels and I don't use it enough in arenas for it to be more useful than more passive +healing) and feral charge.

spec (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0zjZVMhoZVmILcq0xsx)