My latest infraction at FH

[DeathstarsOG]

Here is a copy/paste of my most recent infraction at FH.

Dear DeathstarsOG,



You have received an infraction at Forge Hub Halo Forums.



Reason: Spam Post(s)

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do NOT criticize a map that you A. have not played, and B. have not even seen a picture of.

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This infraction is worth 1 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.



Original Post:

http://www.forgehub.com/forum/mlg-maps/45868-mlg-tropicane-rats-nest-post590768.html#post590768

Oh haha. I made this in 2 hours.



Planning some new features, to "spice" things up a little bit.

The average person releasing a map here usually puts anywhere from 10-80 hours into there creations on average(MLG Amplified by Fritzster claimed over 800 hours). Alot of us spend 2 hours on one double box. Basically what i'm saying is try to put some real time/effort/thought into your maps instead of making one and posting it cause you can.



All the best,

Forge Hub Halo Forums



If you have not caught what this is saying, it's basically telling me that i can't tell someone to put effort into there map because i haven't seen pictures of it or played it. Now the funny thing is the poster of the map never posted any pictures of the map or even a link to download it and I'M THE ONE GETTING THE INFRACTION!!!! I know your saying "how does this relate here?" Well basically, we see alot of posts on these forums and others that are not up to standards of whats required to post a map. Make sure you have pictures of it embedded and for christ sake a link to download the fricken thing. If you are not sure how to post a map, look at the stickies or ask someone. Does anyone else feel my pain?

[_TaK_]

Your expecting common sense at FH?? There's your problem.

Knockout probably has atleast 200 hours in just the building stage, another 100 in testing(which is fun but still has to be done) and probably quite a few school days in conception(20-30 hours) and it's still not done.

So yes, I do feel your pain.

[nicka]

Your expecting common sense at FH?? There's your problem.

Knockout probably has atleast 200 hours in just the building stage, another 100 in testing(which is fun but still has to be done) and probably quite a few school days in conception(20-30 hours) and it's still not done.

So yes, I do feel your pain.

Agreed.
Knockout = win

FH = :banghead:

[Iv0rY-Snak3]

I know that most members there are probably as bad as B.net kids, but if you give it a chance a good handful of the members are almost too awesome to comprehend.

[Naptiva]

Here is a copy/paste of my most recent infraction at FH.





If you have not caught what this is saying, it's basically telling me that i can't tell someone to put effort into there map because i haven't seen pictures of it or played it. Now the funny thing is the poster of the map never posted any pictures of the map or even a link to download it and I'M THE ONE GETTING THE INFRACTION!!!! I know your saying "how does this relate here?" Well basically, we see alot of posts on these forums and others that are not up to standards of whats required to post a map. Make sure you have pictures of it embedded and for christ sake a link to download the fricken thing. If you are not sure how to post a map, look at the stickies or ask someone. Does anyone else feel my pain?


I remember you from FH. I went through the same bull too, so I decided to switch forums. I've very happy here.

[a_Woodland_King]

LOL i hate FH. I went there like twice when i first started cause i needed some maps, then i released they sucked and left.

[HITtheLIGHTZ]

Deathstars I get your point, but they set up an infraction system for map comments to avoid garbage comments like "Needs more interlockz".

There were just too many dumb comments so they required that you had to play the map before making a comment which I heavily supported. Just keep that in mind because it can be an annoyance but it overall made the site better. I make fun of forge hub, but give it a chance.

[PulseKiller]

Isnt the guy who gave you that infraction the same one who posted a map with 2 shield doors, 2 mongooses, and a turret on these forums?

[TheEpicCiabatta]

Forgehub fails in every way possible.

[HITtheLIGHTZ]

Isnt the guy who gave you that infraction the same one who posted a map with 2 shield doors, 2 mongooses, and a turret on these forums?

Don't be hating on the other lights and yes. He didn't know the rules over here, deathstars didn't know the rules over there. Dudes alright, and a pretty decent map maker.

[PulseKiller]

I was just checking if it was the same guy because the name looked familiar. I have nothing against him. Honestly I would rather people post maps like that then the same old 2 base...

[HITtheLIGHTZ]

I was just checking if it was the same guy because the name looked familiar. I have nothing against him. Honestly I would rather people post maps like that then the same old 2 base...

Ohh alright. I need to show some of you guys the good side of forgehub map wise. A lot of crazy **** comes from there. For instance I got to play on a shock theta map in testing yesterday, map needs some ironing out but was still incredibly epic.

[GL0B0]

this is quite funny

ive never been on FH, but i guess i can see thats a good thing

I cant use that der forge too good, but ik a good map when i see it and ik that good maps take a lot of time.

[squidhands]

Ohh alright. I need to show some of you guys the good side of forgehub map wise. A lot of crazy **** comes from there. For instance I got to play on a shock theta map in testing yesterday, map needs some ironing out but was still incredibly epic.

QFT. There are a lot of quality work that comes from Forge Hub. Check out stuff like Grindstone (http://www.forgehub.com/forum/featured-halo-maps/45888-grindstone.html) if you don't believe me. I understand where the OP is coming from (it was one of the better criticisms in the thread), but making a thread about it here is a lame attempt at getting people here on the "we hate Forge Hub" bus and taking it for a sympathy drive. And yeah, I realize that I probably should have ignored this, but I wanted to throw in my two cents for what it's worth.

We should all be more friendly with each other; the collaborations here have already proved it's more than possible.

[The_Raging_Beast]

Yeah back in the day i was a forgehub kid...............8-)
I came here because this is a more active forum where FH was 10% GOOD maps and the rest off-topic discussions about OM NOM NOM. But the mods/loyals and some random kids actually pull off some really cool stuff. i made a few FH maps myself :twisted:. We get creative and they do too, but they're thinking aesthetics when we think gameplay. Just check out some of the maps there, we have to give them credit for thinking of a lot of stuff that we didn't.

This map has a fish tank with seaweed-http://www.forgehub.com/forum/featured-halo-maps/26481-troika.html

[HITtheLIGHTZ]

QFT. There are a lot of quality work that comes from Forge Hub. Check out stuff like Grindstone (http://www.forgehub.com/forum/featured-halo-maps/45888-grindstone.html) if you don't believe me. I understand where the OP is coming from (it was one of the better criticisms in the thread), but making a thread about it here is a lame attempt at getting people here on the "we hate Forge Hub" bus and taking it for a sympathy drive. And yeah, I realize that I probably should have ignored this, but I wanted to throw in my two cents for what it's worth.

We should all be more friendly with each other; the collaborations here have already proved it's more than possible.

Word. Ivory is even a forge hub mod, and a lot of the well known staff (rusty eagle, shock theta, orangeremi, Matty, Nitrous, Linubidix, to name a few) have all played mlg games with me at some point and all seem to enjoy some of the better maps that come out of it. If anything you guys should all join forge hub and try to make it better, the core community (save for a couple of worthless tards with 8921381239812 posts) is overall pretty cool, and pretty skillful at forging. And its sad because there is a lack of communication between here and there. Don't jump on the bandwagon.

EDIT: Lightz for loyal at FH as the ambassador to the mlg forums, seriously.

[no0obs]

wow man. forge hub is full of phail.

[INovaK]

If I made a new thread here everytime I was infracted at FH, I'd have about 6 more posts than I do right now. It happens to everyone.

[G043r]

You know Novak Not everyone on FH has received... an infraction... The Trick is to intend not to commit an Infarction.

[Creep1ngDe4th]

Lol.

As a Mod at FH I will tell you exactly why you got an infraction. You got it because you judged a map without even playing it. We encourage all users to post a thoughtful and hopefully helpful post aimed at directing the member in a direction of improvement. Simply saying that he should have spent more time on it means absolutely nothing, especially since you never downloaded it or saw a picture of it.

That is how we operate over there. We have strict posting standards that are designed to help reduce spam and flaming. We even infract bumping posts, unlike this forum which seems to encourage it. Seriously? You guys like having your creations pushed down the list by some guy that has bumped his own map for the 50th time? Ridiculous.

I came over here with high hopes of a nice professional forum. Seems I had my hopes to high, oh well. The only thing I have seen in my skimming of the forum is a whole bunch of whining, *****ing, flaming, and fail.

In my eyes there isn't a single person here that has any right to call FH fail. It seems more like it's a collection of people that failed at FH.

[HITtheLIGHTZ]

Lol.

As a Mod at FH I will tell you exactly why you got an infraction. You got it because you judged a map without even playing it. We encourage all users to post a thoughtful and hopefully helpful post aimed at directing the member in a direction of improvement. Simply saying that he should have spent more time on it means absolutely nothing, especially since you never downloaded it or saw a picture of it.

That is how we operate over there. We have strict posting standards that are designed to help reduce spam and flaming. We even infract bumping posts, unlike this forum which seems to encourage it. Seriously? You guys like having your creations pushed down the list by some guy that has bumped his own map for the 50th time? Ridiculous.

I came over here with high hopes of a nice professional forum. Seems I had my hopes to high, oh well. The only thing I have seen in my skimming of the forum is a whole bunch of whining, *****ing, flaming, and fail.

In my eyes there isn't a single person here that has any right to call FH fail. It seems more like it's a collection of people that failed at FH.

Thank you for rightfully defending FH, but as someone with a sizable post count on both sites, you just kind of attacking this forum is just as dumb as people from here attacking FH, I mean we should be trying to promote unity between the two sites and not this dumb separation that this thread has brought about. These forums if you spend some time here and meet some of the regulars, is really cool. Same thing with FH. In my custom games I often have staff from FH and regulars from here, why can't we just get along?

[Devinish]

My spoon is too big.

[Creep1ngDe4th]

Thank you for rightfully defending FH, but as someone with a sizable post count on both sites, you just kind of attacking this forum is just as dumb as people from here attacking FH, I mean we should be trying to promote unity between the two sites and not this dumb separation that this thread has brought about. These forums if you spend some time here and meet some of the regulars, is really cool. Same thing with FH. In my custom games I often have staff from FH and regulars from here, why can't we just get along?

I suppose you are right, maybe I was a bit too defensive. I have put a lot of time into FH and the maps I release there and to see so many members flame almost all the people that have come here from FH is just disconcerting. I am always up for new members that are cool and fun to play with as well as being good Forgers, so obviously all are welcome that aspire for the same things I do. True, FH is not MLG oriented, but we do have an MLG forum with some pretty dedicated members.

One thing members from here need to realize is that FH isn't just about Forging. It's about creating all kinds of maps (competitive,casual,mini game,racing ect...) and letting people play them and enjoy them. If this is something that appeals to you then come on over, if not you can stay here, no big deal.

[LIGHTSOUT225]

the only thing more sad than your post on that kid's map is you coming back over here to ***** about it. There are more important things in life than getting a virtual slap on the wrist on an internet forum.

[DeathstarsOG]

the only thing more sad than your post on that kid's map is you coming back over here to ***** about it. There are more important things in life than getting a virtual slap on the wrist on an internet forum.
The only reason i posted this here was because it's re-god-damn-diculous how FH operates. I want to be a contributing member to both sites but threads like the one mentioned in my original post are left untouched by mods, yet infractions are handed out like f*ckin candy for the stupidest reason. I mean honestly, i could give a rats ass that i got an infraction. What does that bother me? But the reasoning behind it is hipocritical. You infrfact me for trying to tell that noob his map post isn't up to standards instead of locking the thread after 24hrs of it not meeting the requirements. I prefer it here because i create MLG maps and every MLG map on forgehub lately has been a damn joke. If you had half a brain in your head you'd see why everyone says the things they do about FH.

[TheEpicCiabatta]

Forgehub fails in every way possible.

Listen to this guy.

[LIGHTSOUT225]

The only reason i posted this here was because it's re-god-damn-diculous how FH operates. I want to be a contributing member to both sites but threads like the one mentioned in my original post are left untouched by mods, yet infractions are handed out like f*ckin candy for the stupidest reason. I mean honestly, i could give a rats ass that i got an infraction. What does that bother me? But the reasoning behind it is hipocritical. You infrfact me for trying to tell that noob his map post isn't up to standards instead of locking the thread after 24hrs of it not meeting the requirements. I prefer it here because i create MLG maps and every MLG map on forgehub lately has been a damn joke. If you had half a brain in your head you'd see why everyone says the things they do about FH.

actually, you clearly DO care that you got an infraction.. thats why this thread is here. And your post didn't tell him his map wasn't up to standards, you told him his map basically sucks because he didn't put as much time as you deem worthy into creating it, despite you never actually seeing the map. THAT is hypocritical. Seriously, whine about it some more.

[HITtheLIGHTZ]

The only reason i posted this here was because it's re-god-damn-diculous how FH operates. I want to be a contributing member to both sites but threads like the one mentioned in my original post are left untouched by mods, yet infractions are handed out like f*ckin candy for the stupidest reason. I mean honestly, i could give a rats ass that i got an infraction. What does that bother me? But the reasoning behind it is hipocritical. You infrfact me for trying to tell that noob his map post isn't up to standards instead of locking the thread after 24hrs of it not meeting the requirements. I prefer it here because i create MLG maps and every MLG map on forgehub lately has been a damn joke. If you had half a brain in your head you'd see why everyone says the things they do about FH.

Deathstars forgehub works the way it does because with their population it has to work that way. I actually spent a lot of time convincing the staff that people should have to play a map before they could make comments on it. Before this was there you got 3 pages of comments from people who haven't played for every map. That doesn't work there, if the map looks bad and you haven't played it just don't say anything about it and it will fall off the first page. You didn't have to comment on it and its not someone else's fault that you didn't know the rules there.

@Ciabatta: STOP, you actually don't know what you're talking about and you're not helping this site look good. I thought we were past retarded comments like that. I'm giving you negative rep in the form of positive rep now.

[-NaStY-]

The way I do it is I post here, and lurk FH. Forgehub is just about the greatest thing that's happened within the community. It's an awesome site and if you cruise the map forums and check out all the features and 5 star maps you'll see some great stuff. Even though a lot of it is designed for a much more casual type of play, there is some great map making going on there. A lot of the goofy un-competitive maps there have much better, more interesting geometry than the stuff here.


Anyways, yeah that infraction sucks but don't hate on FH because it's about as positive force as there can be in a community that has been only just introduced to map-making. Most people learned interlocking, floating and geos from forgehub - that right there has been monumental. The early establishment of map posting standards makes the site beautifully easy to navigate and lurk.

[TheLastMohican7]

If you guys can't enjoy some classic Stickball, Tremors, Cats N Mouse, Jenga Tower, Storm the Beach, Cell Block 71 (to go way back), etc. you take Halo entirely too seriously.

It's Bush league for anyone on here to hate on ForeHub since they revolutionized forging over there.

I recommend people go over there and look at the creativity of past featured or popular maps over there particularly before interlocking was discovered. For an example of a ridiculous map without interlocking, check The Citadel (http://www.forgehub.com/forum/featured-halo-maps/917-citadel.html) out. It is much more difficult to make a map without interlocking as complex as the aforementioned one than it is to interlock a couple bases together, throw in a center structure and some BR's and call it an MLG map.

And to the OP, grow up. If you have an issue take it up with someone over there. Like CreepingDeath said there are strict forum rules, and if you don't know them you shouldn't be posting.

That is all.

[DeathstarsOG]

actually, you clearly DO care that you got an infraction.. thats why this thread is here. And your post didn't tell him his map wasn't up to standards, you told him his map basically sucks because he didn't put as much time as you deem worthy into creating it, despite you never actually seeing the map. THAT is hypocritical. Seriously, whine about it some more.
I would like to see you make a map in 2 hours that i(or anyone else) would even wipe there ass with. Not gonna happen. Why? Because obviously there was no thought involved, no planning, no creativity and no testing. Imagine if bungie came out with a new map pack each map took 2 hours to make, how do you think they'd play? But when you try to tell someone this in a non-confrontational way, you get an infraction. Maybe you and the other mods should be getting infractions for not doing your job. I never said his map sucked or implied it so you can stop making **** up. Give me an infraction for posting on a map i haven't seen, but not the guy posting a map that noone can see or download, THAT is hypocritical. Get back to work on FH giving out infractions for the most retarded reasons, you'll feel better.

EDIT: Why is nearly every post you've made on this forum an argument with another member?

[LIGHTSOUT225]

read this (http://www.forgehub.com/forum/announcements/31441-forge-hub-status-quo.html), then stop your complaining.. seriously.

From this point onwards, feedback on maps that:

* Are composed of a single sentence
* Include a rating without reasonable justification
* Show no evidence of knowledge of the map in question other than that which can easily be seen from a glance at the pictures

Will be deleted immediately by the moderators. Infractions will also be awarded for spam at their discretion under these same rules.


you didn't even glance at pictures.

[HITtheLIGHTZ]

I would like to see you make a map in 2 hours that i(or anyone else) would even wipe there ass with. Not gonna happen. Why? Because obviously there was no thought involved, no planning, no creativity and no testing. Imagine if bungie came out with a new map pack each map took 2 hours to make, how do you think they'd play? But when you try to tell someone this in a non-confrontational way, you get an infraction. Maybe you and the other mods should be getting infractions for not doing your job. I never said his map sucked or implied it so you can stop making **** up. Give me an infraction for posting on a map i haven't seen, but not the guy posting a map that noone can see or download, THAT is hypocritical. Get back to work on FH giving out infractions for the most retarded reasons, you'll feel better.

EDIT: Why is nearly every post you've made on this forum an argument with another member?

Yeah but before there were rules two pages of people who do exactly what you did, and it leads to way to many posts being made. The map is bound to bounce off the front page of whatever section pretty quickly anyway and you're not required to comment on any map. If you run through it and explain why its bad than thats fine so long as you provide reasons without flaming. This way theres just less posts in general and the ones that are there actually inform the readers about the map. And before there was a push to punish dumb map comments the big thing was having a proper map post at the start of the thread, trust me infractions are handed out for that. The site works the way it does because it has to...

[DimmestBread]

Its just an infraction. It really doesn't matter that much. I've gotten one before and it was well deserved. I'm the opposite of you nasty, I lurk these forums and post on forgehub. Whenever I voice my opinion on this site, I seem to get flamed and on forgehub a little debate begins and we try to change each others opinions.

I've made a map in two hours. It was a mini game and it played amazingly. Had no planning whatsoever. It had about 1 hour 30 minutes of testing.

Your infraction was well deserved to. There was no pictures and a link and you say to put more time into it yet you havn't seen it.

Posts on forgehub have to be well done or you will always get an infraction. I see many warned members sometimes and i see one of their posts and its something completely stupid. Just learn from your infraction. I personally don't post on a map unless I tested or have downloaded and played it. Thats all you have to do.

[Hitzel_89]

I'm a forum mod myself, and I would never rep my forum on another site offensively as the FH mod has in this thread.

If you are to enforce strict or unpopular rules on your site, you must never, ever, ever act immature when enforcing or explaining them. By doing so, members see you as hypocrites and your rules as double standards.

I've never been to FH, and I see that the OP broke a rule. Regardless, judging from CreepingDeath's attitude and the complaints in the OP, Forge Hub may want to stand back and realize how they represent themselves to others.

[TroubledSociety]

I don't understand how people can hate on each other when we share the same interest. The Halo 3 Forge Forum and The Forge Hub share the same goals. To create good maps and to share them with the Halo 3 community yet everyone is flaming on who is better if you want my 2 cents you should leave this for BNet. Bungie can have a deal with it there.

Seriously though. Why can't we all get along. I see good maps from both of these sub-communities. Yes, sub-communities. Bungie and Halo 3 are the main community we are such a small fraction of what goes on in Halo 3 it really doesn't matter.

[Creep1ngDe4th]

I'm a forum mod myself, and I would never rep my forum on another site offensively as the FH mod has in this thread.

If you are to enforce strict or unpopular rules on your site, you must never, ever, ever act immature when enforcing or explaining them. By doing so, members see you as hypocrites and your rules as double standards.

I've never been to FH, and I see that the OP broke a rule. Regardless, judging from CreepingDeath's attitude and the complaints in the OP, Forge Hub may want to stand back and realize how they represent themselves to others.

Meh. There was nothing that came out of my mouth that was offensive. Unless you can't take criticism. Your interpretation of my words are pretty distorted.

Either way, no attitude here, just cold hard facts. This forum is fail, sorry. Have fun here guys because there is absolutely no incentive for me to be here. I gotta deal with this garbage all the time from people that get infracted by me at Forgehub, why would I want to come here for more. Peace, and get a clue.

[TheEpicCiabatta]

Meh. There was nothing that came out of my mouth that was offensive. Unless you can't take criticism. Your interpretation of my words are pretty distorted.

Either way, no attitude here, just cold hard facts. This forum is fail, sorry. Have fun here guys because there is absolutely no incentive for me to be here. I gotta deal with this garbage all the time from people that get infracted by me at Forgehub, why would I want to come here for more. Peace, and get a clue.

*points toward door*

Have fun with your Omega Journey 22043.

[HITtheLIGHTZ]

Creeping Death you're not exactly representing FH well with stuff like that, you kind of undid the good job Lightsout has done...

For those still hating on Forge Hub as a whole though:
The way I do it is I post here, and lurk FH. Forgehub is just about the greatest thing that's happened within the community. It's an awesome site and if you cruise the map forums and check out all the features and 5 star maps you'll see some great stuff. Even though a lot of it is designed for a much more casual type of play, there is some great map making going on there. A lot of the goofy un-competitive maps there have much better, more interesting geometry than the stuff here.


Anyways, yeah that infraction sucks but don't hate on FH because it's about as positive force as there can be in a community that has been only just introduced to map-making. Most people learned interlocking, floating and geos from forgehub - that right there has been monumental. The early establishment of map posting standards makes the site beautifully easy to navigate and lurk.

If you guys can't enjoy some classic Stickball, Tremors, Cats N Mouse, Jenga Tower, Storm the Beach, Cell Block 71 (to go way back), etc. you take Halo entirely too seriously.

It's Bush league for anyone on here to hate on ForeHub since they revolutionized forging over there.

I recommend people go over there and look at the creativity of past featured or popular maps over there particularly before interlocking was discovered. For an example of a ridiculous map without interlocking, check The Citadel out. It is much more difficult to make a map without interlocking as complex as the aforementioned one than it is to interlock a couple bases together, throw in a center structure and some BR's and call it an MLG map.

And to the OP, grow up. If you have an issue take it up with someone over there. Like CreepingDeath said there are strict forum rules, and if you don't know them you shouldn't be posting.

That is all.

These two posts from Nasty and Lastmohican sum it up perfectly, there is no good reason to hate on forge hub. Plus a lot of people I know from here have said things like, "Isn't forge hub all zombie maps" really you should pay respect to the premiere forging site because thats exactly what it is.

[DeathstarsOG]

Creeping Death you're not exactly representing FH well with stuff like that, you kind of undid the good job Lightsout has done...

For those still hating on Forge Hub as a whole though:
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These two posts from Nasty and Lastmohican sum it up perfectly, there is no good reason to hate on forge hub. Plus a lot of people I know from here have said things like, "Isn't forge hub all zombie maps" really you should pay respect to the premiere forging site because thats exactly what it is.

You know, McDonalds revolutionized fast food......doesn't mean there food is good.

ForgeHub is evolving into B.net and it shows by there moderators like Lights and Creepy over here. And my comments are not toward great map makers over there, but instead to the childish members and complete noobs that can't post a map correctly.

[DimmestBread]

You know, McDonalds revolutionized fast food......doesn't mean there food is good.

ForgeHub is evolving into B.net and it shows by there moderators like Lights and Creepy over here. And my comments are not toward great map makers over there, but instead to the childish members and complete noobs that can't post a map correctly.

Thats a pretty big statement there.

There is no way to force someone to read the rules. So if someone posts a map without pictures, they will get people that tell them they need pictures or how to post them as sometimes they don't know how. Now when this happens, the thread gets locked in 24 hours (the thread you posted in is an example because it is locked). Those members will recieve an infraction. My guess is, if the member joined say an hour or so before his failed map post, they may let him off and link him to the rules. That is indeed fair. If someone posts a post that says you didn't take enough time and theres no pictures or link, that is spam as you have no idea. I've made a mini game in 20 minutes and tested for the next hour and it played amazing. There was no planning or anything and that is certainly under 2 hours.

Have you been to bungie.net before. All comments are "nice map" and thats about it. No constructive critisism or anything. There are rarely any spam posts of the sort like that on forgehub anymore since the new definition of spam posts.

Salot once posted a map without pictures, it just had a link to another thread. Does that make him a noob?
Many of the great mapmakers at forgehub probobly posted a map without pictures back when forgehub was created and they were normal members. Does that make them noobs?

[INovaK]

You know, McDonalds revolutionized fast food......doesn't mean there food is good.


That doesn't mean you have to go to Burger King and complain about it.

[HITtheLIGHTZ]

You know, McDonalds revolutionized fast food......doesn't mean there food is good.

ForgeHub is evolving into B.net and it shows by there moderators like Lights and Creepy over here. And my comments are not toward great map makers over there, but instead to the childish members and complete noobs that can't post a map correctly.

Have you read anything I've posted in this thread?


Just let it go dude, there is absolutely no reason to have created this thread to begin with. Theres a reason that comments like the one you made work over here but don't over there. Lights (other one) has been perfectly reasonable, you and creeping have been equally ridiculous. The map posting standards over there are overall as high or higher than here. FH has a ton of members so it is obviously a little bnetish at times which is why the mods need to do more to begin with.

Like I said forge hub is still the premiere forging site no matter how you look at it and its been endorsed by a lot of the smarter members of this community.

We need a lock on this thread.

[TheEpicCiabatta]

This thread is making me hungry.

:lock:

[-NaStY-]

You know, McDonalds revolutionized fast food......doesn't mean there food is good.

ForgeHub is evolving into B.net and it shows by there moderators like Lights and Creepy over here. And my comments are not toward great map makers over there, but instead to the childish members and complete noobs that can't post a map correctly.

Stop.

[_TaK_]

This thread is making me hungry.

:lock:

QFT

[DeathstarsOG]

Stop.
Your post is spam, Lightsout needs to give you an infraction over at ForgeNub.

[Iv0rY-Snak3]

*shakes head disapprovingly*

LIGHTS, Creep, thanks for trying, you truly were awesome in it, but these guys probably are too prejudiced towards forgehub to actually believe that any good could come out of it. HtL, you actually went further than I thought you would to defend a site that you rarely visit.

Now, onto the many argumentative posts by you MLG guys.

Deathstars OG:

I don't understand why you feel the need to complain about your infraction. You say you're not complaining, and that you're trying to explain that it's "re-god-damn-diculous" how FH operates, yet, if you had a problem with the site that you wish to be fixed, would common sense not drive you to post your concerns on that site?. For those who prefer comparisons to show someones reasoning, it would be like buying a Big Mac (to continue the fast food theme of the prior pages) that is undercooked or had some defect, then going to KFC to complain about it. You won't achieve anything apart from annoy the people at KFC (Ort in this case, the MLG guys(the smart ones anyway)) So, if that is the case, which it clearly is, you either:

A) have no common sense, and are probably one of the people who watches the demonstrations on airplanes on how to do up your belt buckle.

B) You're complaining.

Now please, take your pick...

Epic Ciabatta

I always thought you were a decent guy, I was inspired when I saw the concept sketch-up for Defiled, and you could say that that was what lead me to join these forums and become active, but now I realise that you are in fact just an angry little boy who wants to voice his opinions on a subject he has no prior knowledge of or experience with. What's the word for that again? oh yeah, prejudice...

Nasty and Mohican

It's nice to see that people who are so deeply rooted in the competitive forging community are able to enjoy themselves at FH, that really makes me proud that you actually feel that way.

The community in General

We (FH staff) recognize that you are probably the forefront of highly competitive forging and H3 map design, but that gives you no right to lord your position over other sites like you do. You speak of FH as if you are better than them in every possible aspect, which is furthest from the truth. You may be able to make a kickass competitive MLG map, but find me the last time one of your members created a map/gametype that was just pure casual fun. Quite adversely to what you'd like to believe is true, casual games are a HUGE part of Halo 3's longevity and are crucial to it's survival whilst new games are released. In no other game could you find the kind of gameplay that is just pure fun like you can in Halo. You can go to other games and find the competitive play that this forum yearns for, but you wouldn't be able to kickback and relax with a game of Cat 'n' Mouse or Peasant Hunt like you can in halo. This is where FH comes in, we are constantly creating new, amazing casual maps. By removing FH from the picture like many members here seem to want to, you would eliminate a huge amount of Halo's fanbase in the process, and people would be leaving the game to go play GoW2 of Far Cry 2, which would have a snowball effect leaving it with just you hardcore MLG guys.
It may sound like Utopia to you now, but I know how much some members here complain when you lose, and since all the random nubs you guys beat to get your 50's would be gone, you'd be up against the same people over and over again, and if you happened to lose, you would complain and well... um... throw your controller against the wall ala ZonKeD...

I just want you to see how much the Halo 3 community can rely on FH, and that you aren't the pinnacle Halo 3 community. I'm not saying that Forgehub is, I believe it's far from it, but without us you would be beyond saving. there may not be Onslaught or Amplified or anything like that because interlocking and Geo-merging (Glitching) were discovered by FH members (well, the common way of Geo-merging with doors)

Now don't make me bring Sarge into this...

[_TaK_]

Vey good post Ivory but the fact is that although there may be some amazing maps on ForgeHub, I personally am just not willing to sift through the 100s of garbage ones to find them. You say that the casual aspect of gaming is what is help Halo keep it`s longevity which is a point I strongly disagree with. No matter what you do there can only be so long untill you have done everything Halo has to offer Casual wise or a more fun casual game comes out. With competition it is not a matter of doing whats already been done it`s a matter of proving you are better then someone else. Seeing as skill can not stop increasing(although it can plateau) there will always be room for competition and most of the Hardcore competitive players of Halo 3 will not move on untill they retire, another Halo game is made, or they simply can not keep up with the level of competition and therefore I believe that competition is acctually the key to longevity; look at Halo CE, the most competitive game of the series still has people playing it.

I`m sure that myself and quite a few others here could come up with an increadibly fun Map or Gametype, and I personally have in my forge adventures, but I personally would rather not waste my time building a map that although is fun, has negative competitive value. Well fun is a great component to have in a competitive map, it is not a necessity, and therefore, from my point of view, very insignificant; not useless but not as important as other map making attributes.

Yes people may lord over ForgeHub when they don`t have the right to and they always will, but no matter what the map standards for this site will always be higher than at FH so if I am just looking for maps, I would come here before going there.

Also if your looking for a casual map here find the thread that Kon(I think) bumped a little while ago about Soccer.

[DeathstarsOG]

While i may be complaining about this alot and made it into a bigger deal than it should have been, i feel something needed to be said. While alot here will back FH till the bitter end, alot will also tell you why they don't go over there anymore. Different strokes i guess. Anyways, i didn't mean to group you into my "i hate mods" speach Ivory. I can only go through so many new threads in FH's MLG section before i say something to people that can't post maps right. The success rate of MLG maps over there is about 5-10%, meaning the other 90-95% are not worth looking at. Where as over here success rate is MUCH higher. There's not as many kids here which lessens the amount of sh1tty maps by alot. And like Tak said, noone wants to sift through hundreds of bad maps to find a few good ones.

[INovaK]

While i may be complaining about this alot and made it into a bigger deal than it should have been, i feel something needed to be said. While alot here will back FH till the bitter end, alot will also tell you why they don't go over there anymore. Different strokes i guess. Anyways, i didn't mean to group you into my "i hate mods" speach Ivory. I can only go through so many new threads in FH's MLG section before i say something to people that can't post maps right. The success rate of MLG maps over there is about 5-10%, meaning the other 90-95% are not worth looking at. Where as over here success rate is MUCH higher. There's not as many kids here which lessens the amount of sh1tty maps by alot. And like Tak said, noone wants to sift through hundreds of bad maps to find a few good ones.

You can generally find the "5-10%" over there pretty easily. This is just me, but I don't click on the maps with long, unneedednames like "MLG Dynomaicstotalicarishanias v7.2", or short generic names like "MLG Base". You need to find the names in the middle. A name like "Warlock", "Lockout" or "The Pit" (just examples, I know they're names of real maps) are all names that someone who's obviously made maps before would use. Not too long, not too short, and it may describe the map some way.

This is just the way I briefly sift through the maps, I don't even click half the threads there. I just look at the names, and go from there. I also go by the author sometimes. If I see a name I know has gotten a feature or has made a map I thought was good before, I usually check out their thread. If I see a map made by someone who posts here, I usually check it out too. Just a tip.

[HITtheLIGHTZ]

HtL, you actually went further than I thought you would to defend a site that you rarely visit.

I actually visit pretty regularly, I just don't post as much as I used to. I kind of want to get more involved with the site though so I hope to meet some of the better forgers there (and you're one of those) for testing maps and what not.

Plus look:

FH
Join Date
12-19-2007 (and on a side note Ivory's join date: 02-02-2008 lol)
Total Posts
782

MLG
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 561

Deathstars I would agree that the overall quality of maps at forge hub is somewhat lower over there, but they also have a featured maps section for some of the truly great maps. The reason the overall quality is lower is primarilly due to the massive difference in size. I think this can be locked now.

[TheLastMohican7]

You know, McDonalds revolutionized fast food......doesn't mean there food is good.

ForgeHub is evolving into B.net and it shows by there moderators like Lights and Creepy over here. And my comments are not toward great map makers over there, but instead to the childish members and complete noobs that can't post a map correctly.

Just a terrible, terrible analogy. McDonald's mainstreamed fast food, but they weren't the ones that discovered pieces of potatoes were tasty deep fried. WIthout ForgeHub, there are no floating objects (although you probably didn't realize forge was around before Foundry), instant respawns, etc.

Quit being a prick and accept that you broke a rule. If you don't agree with it, that's all right. Since you obviously have a lot of disdain for the site, you have no obligation to go there but understand that you are missing out on a lot of great content because you are bitter over a slap on the wrist.

[DeathstarsOG]

Just a terrible, terrible analogy. McDonald's mainstreamed fast food, but they weren't the ones that discovered pieces of potatoes were tasty deep fried. WIthout ForgeHub, there are no floating objects (although you probably didn't realize forge was around before Foundry), instant respawns, etc.

Quit being a prick and accept that you broke a rule. If you don't agree with it, that's all right. Since you obviously have a lot of disdain for the site, you have no obligation to go there but understand that you are missing out on a lot of great content because you are bitter over a slap on the wrist.
Well i believe all the tricks would have been found regardless, but most members interested in Forge started at FH. Thats really besides the point. I Still go there around once a day in hopes of a new MLG map worth downloading but my comments will stick to my maps from now on on that site as any input, good or bad could result in me getting an infraction. I would delete the thread but it doesn't give me the option on the first post.

[Zelltre]

This thread entertained me, and I have no clue how I stumbled upon it.

I'm not a forge hub guy and I don't really deal with Halo's forge anyway, so this is from a COMPLETELY UNBIASED STANDPOINT of someone who just stumbled upon this thread.

Death- While you were trying to give advice to the guy who made the map, you really didn't have to make this thread...at all. I realize you think it is stupid, and to a degree I agree that it is, but you blew this way out of proportion over infraction points. I get warning points from MLG but I don't blow smoke out of my ass about it. I just continue posting and avoid whatever I got warned for for a while. Honestly, though, I see what you mean by it being stupid. I agree too, but they have rules they need to enforce and you broke it. It really doesn't look like it was a big thing, so I don't understand why you blew it up. You never know what that map could have looked like either. Can't pass judgment before you experience something...

FH Staff that defended themselves - I am a mod from a forum too, so I know you want to defend your forum, but the way some people did it wasn't exactly a setting example. Some of you did a great job at representing what you are all about, but others could have gone without posting here. If soemone bad mouths my forums, I try to see what it's all about, and be diplomatic about things and in a respectful manner attempt to make amends. Sometimes it works, but most of the time, because of the attitude we give off from our forum, we end up hated by another forum. That's kind of how this went. You guys went in trying to be respectful, but in the end, it didn't really help much. I respect you guys for trying, and like I said before, some of you represented yourselves well.

Hitthelightz- Im going to plus rep you because throughout the whole thread, you kept cool, and refrained from calling names, and tried to keep peace. Despite how other people were acting childish. You managed to keep it simple, and while some of your posts may have fallen on deaf ears, your intentions were good, and throughout the thread you tried to keep things cool. Props to you for doing so. People can learn from his example.

Basically, this whole thread is about 45 posts too many.

[nicka]

This thread entertained me, and I have no clue how I stumbled upon it.

I'm not a forge hub guy and I don't really deal with Halo's forge anyway, so this is from a COMPLETELY UNBIASED STANDPOINT of someone who just stumbled upon this thread.

Death- While you were trying to give advice to the guy who made the map, you really didn't have to make this thread...at all. I realize you think it is stupid, and to a degree I agree that it is, but you blew this way out of proportion over infraction points. I get warning points from MLG but I don't blow smoke out of my ass about it. I just continue posting and avoid whatever I got warned for for a while. Honestly, though, I see what you mean by it being stupid. I agree too, but they have rules they need to enforce and you broke it. It really doesn't look like it was a big thing, so I don't understand why you blew it up. You never know what that map could have looked like either. Can't pass judgment before you experience something...

FH Staff that defended themselves - I am a mod from a forum too, so I know you want to defend your forum, but the way some people did it wasn't exactly a setting example. Some of you did a great job at representing what you are all about, but others could have gone without posting here. If soemone bad mouths my forums, I try to see what it's all about, and be diplomatic about things and in a respectful manner attempt to make amends. Sometimes it works, but most of the time, because of the attitude we give off from our forum, we end up hated by another forum. That's kind of how this went. You guys went in trying to be respectful, but in the end, it didn't really help much. I respect you guys for trying, and like I said before, some of you represented yourselves well.

Hitthelightz- Im going to plus rep you because throughout the whole thread, you kept cool, and refrained from calling names, and tried to keep peace. Despite how other people were acting childish. You managed to keep it simple, and while some of your posts may have fallen on deaf ears, your intentions were good, and throughout the thread you tried to keep things cool. Props to you for doing so. People can learn from his example.
Basically, this whole thread is about 45 posts too many.


Lightz is a G.
I would rep him also, but i repped him too recently