How would Halo 3 change if Xbox Live Gold was free?

[StartSomething]

As we all know Microsoft charges Xbox 360 owners wanting to play their games over xbox live unlike the free online services of other consoles. Now while this isn't a huge deal, everyone would probably be fine with saving $50+(yes people make 1 months) every year just to play your already owned game with friends online.

Does anyone really look at the negative effects it would bring to Halo 3 though?
People would be making new accounts every other week if not more often. Halo 3 is already known to have a bad community compared to other online games, but what would stop people from making accounts just to delevel/piss off people? Not only that but it would be a lot harder to tell the difference between new accounters and legit newbs. Sure you could look at games played and total XP but the person could always be a quitter.

Imagine how frustrating it would be as a new player going into Lone Wolves as a level 1 and meeting a bunch of skilled players shooting at you with a BR, dieing in a couple seconds after every spawn, when you don't even know where to find weapons/power ups and barely managing to get 2 or 3 kills. You would have to either accept getting owned every game until you got better or stick to custom games with friends.

I would like to know what the MLG community's thoughts are on this subject and if you agree or disagree with me and why.

[OriginOfS]

Not to be an ass or anything, but seeing as Micro$oft would never do that, what's the point of this thread?

[Sephiroth889]

If SOMEONE is making money then it is VERY unlikely.
But as long as you were good it really wouldn't matter if people made more new accounts.

[StartSomething]

Not to be an ass or anything, but seeing as Micro$oft would never do that, what's the point of this thread?

Ahh you never know, I don't think it's going to happen anytime in the near future but in a couple years I wouldn't be surprised if they finally stopped charging. The point of this thread is pretty obvious, tell how Halo 3 on xbox live would change if Gold went free.

[He_Who_Remains]

Wow, I never thought of that. That was a pretty thoughtful post, and I'm glad I read it. After reading the title, I thought your argument would be about how there would be more competition because more people would be playing, or how there would be WAAAY more newbs running around, but I hadn't thought about making new accounts. Now when I see the popular motto, "Make Xbox Live free", I'll think twice before agreeing. Good stuff and + rep.

[TS-Kappa]

The only thing that would change is the size of the community.

[Red-Flava]

As we all know Microsoft charges Xbox 360 owners wanting to play their games over xbox live unlike the free online services of other consoles. Now while this isn't a huge deal, everyone would probably be fine with saving $50+(yes people make 1 months) every year just to play your already owned game with friends online.

Does anyone really look at the negative effects it would bring to Halo 3 though?
People would be making new accounts every other week if not more often. Halo 3 is already known to have a bad community compared to other online games, but what would stop people from making accounts just to delevel/piss off people? Not only that but it would be a lot harder to tell the difference between new accounters and legit newbs. Sure you could look at games played and total XP but the person could always be a quitter.

Imagine how frustrating it would be as a new player going into Lone Wolves as a level 1 and meeting a bunch of skilled players shooting at you with a BR, dieing in a couple seconds after every spawn, when you don't even know where to find weapons/power ups and barely managing to get 2 or 3 kills. You would have to either accept getting owned every game until you got better or stick to custom games with friends.

I would like to know what the MLG community's thoughts are on this subject and if you agree or disagree with me and why.

XBC..
But less lag.

[Mango221]

Worse...All the extra drag would cause things to slow down.

-Mango

[iTz_ChAoTiC]

IMO this thread is pretty pointless, i do agree with other users who replied. I doubt Microsoft even cutting the price of the XBL Gold. But hypothetically speaking, it would change Halo 3. More de-levels, acc boosting, damn sure be harder to create tags.But really wouldn't make any radical changes

[StartSomething]

But hypothetically speaking, it would change Halo 3. More de-levels, acc boosting, damn sure be harder to create tags.But really wouldn't make any radical changes

Yeah I mostly agree with you on mostly everything besides harder to create tags. Actually thinking about it now you might be right. It wouldn't surprise me that most people don't think of making a Silver account with the name they want to have.

I know that whenever I think of a good tag, I make an email on wherever and then try the Gamertag I want on live and if it works I make it a silver account so I can put it too use for later.

I believe that over time Halo 3 (a year or so) could go under quite a few big changes, radical might not be the right word but they would still be noticed.

[Dragull]

How would Halo 3 change if Xbox Live Gold was free?
Would be more laggy.

[vFaTaL]

Would be more laggy.

No.

[StartSomething]

Why do you think this would be? I mean there may be some issues with the Xbox Live servers if there's a sudden population growth(Winter 07 anyone?), but it would even out over time.

[OriginOfS]

Please stop with this thread, you're trying to pseudo-analyze something that is never going to happen and subsequently has no present or future relevance.

[StartSomething]

I'm sorry this topic bothers you that much, and am glad that you can tell the future. Want to tell us all who wins this year's Vegas?

[OriginOfS]

I'm sorry this topic bothers you that much, and am glad that you can tell the future. Want to tell us all who wins this year's Vegas?
Darn, you got me.

[Chalupacabra]

I can see MS possibly cutting the price down on XBL Gold, but it will never, ever be free. They are making way too much off of it.

[AkKneeko]

Seeing how money seems to be the essence of everything (not really), it would probably drastically lower the quality of play on XBL. Less money = less results!

[Encounter.142]

It's never going to happen. Ever. If it did, Halo ranking would be a disaster. As you said, people would make new accounts all the time. Immature people would probably make accounts for the sole purpose of angering others. XBL would be a mess, and a lot of players would stop playing matchmaking just because there are so many people with fake accounts. There is a reason that Microsoft charges money for XBL gold subscriptions (besides the fact that they get rich off it).

[ContracKiller18]

I could care less, i really don't mind paying for XBL.

[Scrogglez]

xbl is free.

You can make a 1month everymonth forever. I do this every month for the hell of it. To either **** low lvls in MLG/Snipers or to relevel on Gears.

[nf_unborn]

Paying for services is good... If XBL was free, it would suck roughly 5-10 times worse than it already does (according to some. I have no problem with it usually)

Look at those FREE online services by other consoles... There's more players in one game on the 360 than all the other consoles combined.

Free = bad

[Ave27]

As we all know Microsoft charges Xbox 360 owners wanting to play their games over xbox live unlike the free online services of other consoles. Now while this isn't a huge deal, everyone would probably be fine with saving $50+(yes people make 1 months) every year just to play your already owned game with friends online.

Does anyone really look at the negative effects it would bring to Halo 3 though?
People would be making new accounts every other week if not more often. Halo 3 is already known to have a bad community compared to other online games, but what would stop people from making accounts just to delevel/piss off people? Not only that but it would be a lot harder to tell the difference between new accounters and legit newbs. Sure you could look at games played and total XP but the person could always be a quitter.

Imagine how frustrating it would be as a new player going into Lone Wolves as a level 1 and meeting a bunch of skilled players shooting at you with a BR, dieing in a couple seconds after every spawn, when you don't even know where to find weapons/power ups and barely managing to get 2 or 3 kills. You would have to either accept getting owned every game until you got better or stick to custom games with friends.

I would like to know what the MLG community's thoughts are on this subject and if you agree or disagree with me and why.
I always thought it would be nice to be able to make 2-3 accounts with ur xbl.

[bosoxdanc]

Ahh you never know, I don't think it's going to happen anytime in the near future but in a couple years I wouldn't be surprised if they finally stopped charging. The point of this thread is pretty obvious, tell how Halo 3 on xbox live would change if Gold went free.

Why wouldn't you be surprised? There's over 10 million Xbox Live users. There's no way M$ would not want that money.

[AkKneeko]

Haha i know seriously, if they are making a fortune off of Xbox live and the money isn't gonna stop rolling in then why would they just decide to cease all their profits from it! That is because they wouldn't and never will. So basically end of discussion/thread. (Not trying to be mean ;])

[youngpunk19]

i think it would ever to happen the halo 3 community wouldn't change much except that many people would have multiple accounts just because the last one didn't come out like they wanted....oh well this would prolly never happen anyways nice thread tho

[StartSomething]

Why wouldn't you be surprised? There's over 10 million Xbox Live users. There's no way M$ would not want that money.

Because their competition offers essentially the same services for free, it's just not polished up as well. Maybe I was wrong to say it would go completely free but that kinda blows my mind that Microsoft can keep people paying 50 a year while you don't pay a cent on other consoles to play online.

[GeorgePaul]

Sony can do it why can't Microsoft? How would it change halo?

[schnykeees]

I don't really see the point of this discussion. This will never happen, thus not worth talking about.

[viprium]

One of the main reasons why people make second accounts is because their bad and fail to get a 50 on their first, so they make a new account when their already familiar with the game and get an easy 50 in 60-70 games. This is why their is so many 2nd accounts, people are trying to manipulate the ranking system into thinking their better then they actually are. If halo 3 had halo 2's ranking system new accounts wouldn't be half the problem it is today because starting a new account in halo 2 wouldn't help you rank up any faster then you would on your first account. If XBL was made free with the ranking system they have in halo 3 now their would be ALOT of new accounts everday.

[tehStomer]

I actually have 5 tags.

1 is my first account, 12k gamerscore, a 47 brig with 1200 exp. about 8 months gold left. I could get a 50 on it, but I can't be bothered, I just use it to warm up and stuff.

2nd is my first general account, same as my forum name. 11months gold left

3rd is my best account, almost out of gold now though (trying to sell my other general for some months), 2509 exp, 2350 games :D

4th is my 1 month my friend gave me to help him level up (he got his xbox at xmas), has 2000ranked kills and like 500deaths. I've ruined the game for some noobs on that tag, 60 ts games, 50 steaktaculars.

[viprium]

I actually have 5 tags.

1 is my first account, 12k gamerscore, a 47 brig with 1200 exp. about 8 months gold left. I could get a 50 on it, but I can't be bothered, I just use it to warm up and stuff.

2nd is my first general account, same as my forum name. 11months gold left

3rd is my best account, almost out of gold now though (trying to sell my other general for some months), 2509 exp, 2350 games :D

4th is my 1 month my friend gave me to help him level up (he got his xbox at xmas), has 2000ranked kills and like 500deaths. I've ruined the game for some noobs on that tag, 60 ts games, 50 steaktaculars.

Your the perfect example of a second account 50. You couldn't get it on your first so you had to manipulate the ranking system into thinking your a 50 by making a new fresh account with good sigma. If you could really get a 50 on your first account you would already have one, what a shame 12k gamerscore gone to waste.

[StartSomething]

Paying for services is good... If XBL was free, it would suck roughly 5-10 times worse than it already does (according to some. I have no problem with it usually)

Look at those FREE online services by other consoles... There's more players in one game on the 360 than all the other consoles combined.

Free = bad


Must of skipped over this post earlier because I fully agree with you. I have a PS3 and use PSN and it just feels incomplete when compared to XBL. It's not terrible by any means but just not as good as it could be, there is some cool stuff on there though like a Web Browser.


Also Stomer I wouldn't have said that if I were you, you're just asking to get flamed lol.

[Whitericee]

Well most of the people who make new accounts are the 1s who just arent good enough to get their 50 on their first account. OR they start them over in mlg for fun. I dont think too many people start accounts over just to ruin the day for a noob. I dont think it would be as much of a problem as you make it seem like because the harder competition at the lower levels because of all the restarts would most likely reduce the risk of others to restart so i think it would balance out over time and not result in a huge apocalyptic restart explosion

[steed4]

Your the perfect example of a second account 50. You couldn't get it on your first so you had to manipulate the ranking system into thinking your a 50 by making a new fresh account with good sigma. If you could really get a 50 on your first account you would already have one, what a shame 12k gamerscore gone to waste.


dude no need to get all worked up. who cares?
OT- ya i feel like there would be a huge jump in the amount of XBL users if it was free. So many more people making like 20 accounts.

[ITH3F1R3M4NI]

Must of skipped over this post earlier because I fully agree with you. I have a PS3 and use PSN and it just feels incomplete when compared to XBL. It's not terrible by any means but just not as good as it could be, there is some cool stuff on there though like a Web Browser.

Agree. I have a ps3 too and the internet just isnt the same as xbl

[Kosherboy92]

i concur.

[Ownsboro]

omg at the nooob accounts

[Newtype_]

Wait... Halo has a notoriously bad community?

Halo might not be the most friendly community (Shadowrun imo), but it's far from the worst.

[Fume]

Not to be an ass or anything, but seeing as Micro$oft would never do that, what's the point of this thread?
thats exactly what i was thinking after i read it too

[StartSomething]

Wait... Halo has a notoriously bad community?

Halo might not be the most friendly community (Shadowrun imo), but it's far from the worst.

What other console game has a far worse online community then Halo?

[tehStomer]

Your the perfect example of a second account 50. You couldn't get it on your first so you had to manipulate the ranking system into thinking your a 50 by making a new fresh account with good sigma. If you could really get a 50 on your first account you would already have one, what a shame 12k gamerscore gone to waste.


That's not exactly fair though. All my friends played on my first tag when I first got Halo 3. I also try and help my friends level up on this tag, and they're pretty bad, so I lose a lot of games in the playlists I have high skills in. The 47 is in MLG by the way, not team doubles.

I play legit 50's all the time on my other generals, and win...so why aren't I general quality?

I wanted a 50, and I didn't want the bad exp to games ratio my first tag had due to other people playing, so I made a fresh tag, and I got to a 50 (in Team Slayer), then I wanted another tag, for no apparent reason really, and I got another general again.

One of my friends has a 'legit' 50, but he got it just when Halo 3 came out, and he had over 10k games of halo 2 played, so he had an advantage over most of the other players, he started Halo 3 with a big advantage, a loaddddd of Halo gaming time, plus the quality of players back then wasn't as good as it is now. When I started, (Christmas 07) I had never played any games online before (except on the PC), and I shared my tag with other players.

So around 5months after making my original tag, and having a 47, I made a new account, and go to a general, and now I'm much better than my 'legit' friend, he actually made a new tag, and he couldn't get a 50 on it, he could only get a 48.

So, what do you have to say now?

[Ucallinmefat]

More casual players

[Mini_Beast]

there would be many other problems if xbl was free. the online sucks on other consoles because they are free.

[TheUnitarian]

I think everyone would gave 20+ accounts and it would probably make matchmaking worse.

[Black-Logik]

I never thought about it in that aspect... that just makes me hope that they dont make it free, I have heard my share of rumors, but I never thought it was going to happen anyway. Everyone knows Microsoft is the equivalent of a cooperate prostitute, they will do anything for money. And if they are making large amounts of money from something like Gold memberships on XBOX LIVE, nothing is going to change.

[Ya_Ill_Sign_Ur_BR]

well i definately think that this has no chance of happening. but if it did, it would probably end up being like ps3 (i dont have one my friend does for cod) whenever they do something wrong or screw up their record they just make a new tag.

One thing to remember is this: If you make one months no more, boosting and selling 50s will go through the roof. i think the last thing the halo community needs is more bought 50s.

[MJDT_Lifer]

i heard they might reduce price of gold memberships..