A few things the forge forum needs to discuss

[DeathstarsOG]

Well, a few things are the topic of discussion here, and a big one I'd like to start off with is sketchups. Right now the forum is being flooded with sketchups again. While sketchups are a great way for this community to grow in design and concept work, flooding a forge forum with them is unnaceptable. I personally love what sketchup has done for this community however, it needs to be more organized.
Sketchups pushing other actual maps down the list is the main concern. And while I understand if a map is good, it won't be a problem but it seams sketchups are getting more attention than actual map threads.

What I'm proposing is to create a way to better organize sketchups. I hear people already saying "well we have a sticky for a sketchup database" The reason that people aren't posting there sketchups in there anymore, is because that thread is constantly being bumped with useless spam. What happens then is people stop reading the sketchup thread because they see it as just a place to post whore. Now sketchups are overflowing in the forums again. My idea in helping this situation is our sticky threads be much more closely monitored by mods(Zanno) and anything not relating to the topic the thread was intended for should be deleted.
This is also a problem in every other sticky we have. A good idea is to completely remake most of the sticky's from scratch with stricter rules implemented this time around. Of course I can say all this and people can agree, but we as a community have to work together in helping to clean the forum up.
TheEpicCiabatta's map design thread has been spammed up as well and should undergo the same cleanup as the rest of the sticky's.
So here's how we do it. We make all the sticky's over and title them differently. Examples:
-Please post all your sketchups/feedback here.
-Forge Glitches, tips and tricks only here.
-Map design info posted here.

The "Thread Format" sticky is great and hasn't got the unnessesary spam that most other topics have. Also the "What are you working on" thread is fine as well. They serve there purpose great and don't need any clean up.

This has got to be a group effort by everyone here to make the forge forum a better place to visit.

Back onto the main topic of sketchups, it is safe to say roughly 5 posted sketchups out of atleast 50+ have actually been completely forged. I'm not talking about a sketchup you made and then forged it after, I mean sketchups that have been picked up by someone else.) Since that is such a low percentage flooding the forum with more of them does not help us as a community grow. So when this new thread is made, more people should show real input to there designs instead of just saying "it needs more cover" or "that looks cool". We should actually have a good post full of ACTUAL feedback. Another thing that really needs to be implemented into a sketchup review is a vote at the end of your feedback. It could be something like this:
A) Map looks great, build it.
B) Map needs work, re-work it.
C) Map isn't worth it, start over.

This way bad sketchups don't get built, good sketchups get improved and great sketchups get forged.
Also people that pick up someone elses sketchup NEED to finish it. Don't start building someones design and then stop. If you decide to no longer forge it, it needs to be reposted as up for grabs. I understand map building takes a while to complete in forge, but I know a few sketchups that have been taken over and never completed. It is not cool to design something great and have someone say they will build it and it never happens. Then that design goes wasted.
With a few of these things taken into account by our community, we will grow. Better sketchups will be forged and sketchup threads won't be flooding the forums pushing new maps to back pages. Don't everybody agree on this concept and never put it to use. With sandbox coming out sketchup is going to end up being re-designed to work with it, meaning all new canvas and components. We should really get the forge forums ready for this with a complete clean up.

If you guys have other comments, ideas and input please speak up.

EDIT:
Quoted Jackass Jon: "There is no rule against posting Sketch-ups. If the maps are getting pushed down, bump them."

This is the wrong mentallity. This community is here for forged maps. If anything, your sketchup should need to be bumped cause of all the maps pushing it down. That however is not the case as it takes weeks/months to forge a map and only a few hours to sketch one up.

If this were the "sketchup forums" then it wouldn't be a big deal, but it isn't.

[Jackass_Jon]

I cannot win this fight, i do not have enough time. The best solution is to add a sub forum and that will not happen. I will stand by my reasons and i will post all of my sketch-ups in their own thread until a mod tells me otherwise.

[outoutahwoo]

yes to this.

[HITtheLIGHTZ]

The one thing a couple people had brought up before is that this forum NEEDS as subforum that separates pre-map building stuff (designs, sketchups) and discussion, vs. one entirely for the posting of maps. This is what we need.


Deathstars I'll edit this after I read the entire thing, I just wanted to get that point in.

[DeathstarsOG]

The one thing a couple people had brought up before is that this forum NEEDS as subforum that separates pre-map building stuff (designs, sketchups) and discussion, vs. one entirely for the posting of maps. This is what we need.


Deathstars I'll edit this after I read the entire thing, I just wanted to get that point in.
I can agree with this point, but I don't realistically see that happening.

[HITtheLIGHTZ]

Uhh I actually agree with everything you just said, particularly people finishing sketchups.


I hope people will take the 2 minutes to read that whole thing.

[XzampleZZ]

The one thing a couple people had brought up before is that this forum NEEDS as subforum that separates pre-map building stuff (designs, sketchups) and discussion, vs. one entirely for the posting of maps. This is what we need.


Deathstars I'll edit this after I read the entire thing, I just wanted to get that point in.the reason I post my sketchups in the main forums is because I want some feedback. I've checked the sketchup thread and alot of people don't comment. I do not want to waste time making a map if no one likes it so I make a sketchup to see if anyone likes the design. Feedback is all I'm asking for.

[HITtheLIGHTZ]

the reason I post my sketchups in the main forums is because I want some feedback. I've checked the sketchup thread and alot of people don't comment. I do not want to waste time making a map if no one likes it so I make a sketchup to see if anyone likes the design. Feedback is all I'm asking for.

That wasn't what I was talking about, I was saying that the forge forum needs to be split in half. Re-read what I said more carefully.


The justification behind doing what I said is that if we have a forge forum we need the tools to make it work properly. This forum is kind of awkward so to speak as it has its own community yet people occasionally venture into this thread from the h3 forums or from the hot topics thing on the front page. Those people don't really care about a non-finished map, or a discussion on map design for the most part, they care about real finished maps. Dividing it the way I said would make the forum more viewable to outsiders and keep the discussion style topics more community oriented.

[DeathstarsOG]

the reason I post my sketchups in the main forums is because I want some feedback. I've checked the sketchup thread and alot of people don't comment. I do not want to waste time making a map if no one likes it so I make a sketchup to see if anyone likes the design. Feedback is all I'm asking for.
I fully understand this and I wrote a little about it above. With to much off-topic discussion in threads like the sketchup database, noone gets the feedback they need. If we kept it more organized with off-topic posts getting deleted, more sketchups would get there needed attention there. And while a new subforum for unfinished projects would be great, I just don't see it happening.
So what we can do as a community is keep on topic especially in our sticky'd threads and give better feedback towards these new sketchup designs.
However, if we just keep posting a bunch of sketchup threads in the forge forum, we will be ruining what this community is here for.
As Lightz said, we have alot of H3 forum members that come here just to see what maps they can download to play on now. They are not interested in all the threads of map designs that never get built. Most of them don't have that passion as we do. And those that come in here see a bunch of threads and no maps, will get turned away and not be able to see the great maps that are actually playable.
If the sketchup thread would stay on topic, you would get the needed feedback for improving your design. Also by implementing a type of rating system like I said in the first post, better designs will be created, and forged. No one wants to see a crappy sketchup get forged.

Maybe we can also seperate the sketchups into two sticky's. One for purpose of feedback, and one for purpose of adoption.

[TheEpicCiabatta]

Yes, yes, yes.

[DeathstarsOG]

Yes, yes, yes.
This post is like half of the others in the skethup thread we are talking about. Post some real ideas ciabatta or i'll stop loving you.


Anyways, I would like to completely re-do the Glitches, tips and tricks thread unless anyone has objections to it. Just think we have alot of information thats not in there along with explanations.

[TheEpicCiabatta]

I posted "yes" x3 because I completely agree. My idea well is dry at the moment though.

[growlingrevenge]

what NEEDS to happen just as lightz said, a new sub forum, titled, "Halo 3 Designs/Sketchups". i doubt it will happen but thats what would be best.

[yourself.]

This post is like half of the others in the skethup thread we are talking about. Post some real ideas ciabatta or i'll stop loving you.


Anyways, I would like to completely re-do the Glitches, tips and tricks thread unless anyone has objections to it. Just think we have alot of information thats not in there along with explanations.

I was thinking the same thing, I would be happy to help re-do the glitches thread, it could have an entire post dedicated to tear drop and people can post ways to teardrop standard height things.

[Poptart_Revolt]

I can definitely agree with what's being said here. Being one of those guys who just drops in for maps, going through the first page and getting nothing but sketchups is annoying/discouraging.

The fact that a sketchup database is there, but not used (or enforced) shows that you guys are probably not going to get anywhere. Clearly, someone doesn't care/consider it a problem.

[TheEpicCiabatta]

I can definitely agree with what's being said here. Being one of those guys who just drops in for maps, going through the first page and getting nothing but sketchups is annoying/discouraging.

The fact that a sketchup database is there, but not used (or enforced) shows that you guys are probably not going to get anywhere. Clearly, someone doesn't care/consider it a problem.

The severe lack of mods in the H3FF makes enforcing it a bit difficult.

[2AMPd]

Apparently I dont understand everyting behind a sub forum. This, IMO, is the best solution, and it doesnt seem like it would be that hard, especially since it would be quite smaller than all the other forums. However I have been told repeatedly that is not possible "at this time". When will it be possible? Thats all I want to know.

[DeaconJBlues]

If anything is going to happen, it needs to happen soon before the Mythic Map pack is released and this forum is flooded with sketchups and new maps.

[PulseKiller]

While I do kind of agree with you on the fact that sketchups push down maps, people have as much of a right to make a sketchup thread to push down maps as you do to make this thread, which also pushes down maps. The problem with the forge forum in that we dont have a place to actually discuss forge without pushing down maps. We have to go one of two routes, either bump down maps with various threads talking about forge, or just only post maps. Threads that are not maps are exactly the same as posting a sketchup.

The worst part is how people have the guts to talk crap about people posting sketchups, yet when Karma, an MLG pro, posts a thread asking the most basic of questions that could simply be found using the search bar, noone says anything to him. Sketchups are not the entire problem. While they may be part of it, the main problem is that we are forced to discuss forge and post maps in the same area.

[yourself.]

well, we did use to have the OT of h3ff for all of our random forge talk. but that died when it was moved

[nicka]

Maybe we can also seperate the sketchups into two sticky's. One for purpose of feedback, and one for purpose of adoption.

I could definitely see this as a possibility.
I know the last time someone did this though, the thread got flamed for some reason, and it just died...

But if everyone's in agreement with a sperate sticky for sketchups NOT for adoption, and who are merely looking for feedback, i would gladly create the thread, and format it to the best of my abilities. :)

Even though i feel a whole separate sub-section is appropriate for designs, etc., it probably wont happen.

[b0b43]

To re-working the forge forum, I say, Yes we can!

Overusing slogans aside, this forum does need a re-working. The Glitches and Tricks section needs a serious overhaul, as there are so many geo-methods, combinations being discovered all the time that it isn't funny any more. I think that they, along with all the good guides and tips should be re-worked, and just re-work it into a giant sticky that contains how to interlock, geomerge (all methods of merging) combinations (e.g. Deathstars thread explaining how to do double wall ramps), elements of good map design, spawn guides, and then a forge database containing maps of various forgers. Different people could work on different sections, and then just have everyone post their guide in one thread, and have them edit it where necessary. This would leave us with:



Everything Forge Guide
What are you working on?
Sketchup database
Map Posting Guidelines


I will volunteer myself to help out in an everthing forge guide, but if people don't like my idea, then never mind.

The second thing that the forge community needs to do as a whole is provide quality feedback of map layout, execution, balance and spawns on every map posted. It is extremely rare where a map actually gets reviewed, because most comments are "looks nice, downloading", or testers saying how awesome the map is. It doesn't matter whether you've tested the map a hundred times or have just downloaded it and had a forge through, EVERYONE should post a review on what they liked, dislike and what can be improved. For those of you who don't believe me, look at Atrium. (http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=222933) The map was posted almost a day ago from the time of this post, and through 6 PAGES there are no posts that are more than 2 sentences long, and no posts actually providing feedback. Providing reviews will not only boost the quality of the forums as a whole, but give people who are looking at the thread a reason to download or not to download.

This should also apply to Sketchups as well. Providing that Sketchups are kept in the Sketchup discussion thread, people should be posting 1-2 paragraph reviews on what they can see from the screenshots. This will give plenty of reason for people to be posting their Sketchups in that thread and not spamming the forums because they will know that they are getting feedback.

The last thing I would like to say is that the top forgers should be leading by example. The people who are well-known in this community (and you know who you are) should be posting on other peoples maps on how they can be improved - not just your own and your friends. It is amazing how many times the top forgers post on other top forgers threads and bump them to the top, and how little they post on relatively new members threads. Now I'm not saying that the maps made by the top forgers are bad, because most of the time, they are better and there is a genuine reason why they are known in this community. But the ignorance to relatively new members maps is appalling, and they should be steered in the right direction.

Now that was a much longer post than I originally intended to, but I feel I got out what I needed to say.

[DeathstarsOG]

Everything Bob said is true. We really need to organize things a bit more around here. I would love to have a sub forum for everything beside map posts, but chances are it's not going to happen. That is kinda asking for alot, and realisticly not going to happen. I've already started the glitches thread and onece i compile all the loads of information needed I will post it. We do need some mods in here to help move this along though.

And to Pulse, you are right, this thread is pushing other maps down as well, but the difference here is this thread affects the entire community and fully deserves the right to be here and be discussed.

[nicka]

Everything Bob said is true. We really need to organize things a bit more around here. I would love to have a sub forum for everything beside map posts, but chances are it's not going to happen. That is kinda asking for alot, and realisticly not going to happen. I've already started the glitches thread and onece i compile all the loads of information needed I will post it. We do need some mods in here to help move this along though.

And to Pulse, you are right, this thread is pushing other maps down as well, but the difference here is this thread affects the entire community and fully deserves the right to be here and be discussed.

Im definitely liking the amount of action you're already putting into this plan, Deathstars.
Let me know if you need any help compiling anything dude.

Also,
If the consensus is that we need another thread for sketchups (which i know is becoming a heated debate) strictly for posting them for feedback, that i'm assuming will be a separate thread than the sketchup database(?) i would be up for making the post.

I kinda want a project for the forums, and something like this would be perfect :)

[DeathstarsOG]

Im definitely liking the amount of action you're already putting into this plan, Deathstars.
Let me know if you need any help compiling anything dude.

Also,
If the consensus is that we need another thread for sketchups (which i know is becoming a heated debate) strictly for posting them for feedback, that i'm assuming will be a separate thread than the sketchup database(?) i would be up for making the post.

I kinda want a project for the forums, and something like this would be perfect :)
Well actions speak louder than words. And if the consensus is to make a second sketchup sticky for feedback only(not for adoption), then ya, I don't see why you couldn't creat it. That thread wouldn't need organization like the adoption sticky would. Amp can re-do that thread if he would like to. It is alot to keep up on though. And Ciabatta should re-do his as well. Just make sure that it is known the thread isn't for post whoring and hopefully the mods will enforce it. we have to work together to make this work though.

[b0b43]

Well actions speak louder than words. And if the consensus is to make a second sketchup sticky for feedback only(not for adoption), then ya, I don't see why you couldn't creat it. That thread wouldn't need organization like the adoption sticky would. Amp can re-do that thread if he would like to. It is alot to keep up on though. And Ciabatta should re-do his as well. Just make sure that it is known the thread isn't for post whoring and hopefully the mods will enforce it. we have to work together to make this work though.

The 2 Sketchup threads actually sound like they would work - I just read through what you proposed again and I made sense of it. So there would be one thread where people post Sketchups they made but are not going to forge, and another thread where people post Sketchups that they have designed and going to make, but want feedback from others. While it sounds great in theory, I can see a few problems:

-Not enough people providing QUALITY feedback on maps that people are going to make, not just saying "oh that's nice, add some more cover"
-Not enough people adopting Sketchups that are posted - a similar problem that we already have now
-Mod enforcement on people actually posting in these threads rather than spamming the forums

All of these problems essentially boil down to the fact that we need more mods on this forum enforcing people to post in Sketchup threads and deleting posts that don't provide quality feedback. Of course, this doesn't solve the problem of more people adopting posted Sketchups, but I don't really see what much we can do to make that happen.

I also think if Deathstars is creating a thread about all the forge glitches and tricks, then EpicCiabatta can update his thread and include all the other map design threads and stickies into his, and then put all the spawn guides floating around into that thread. I noticed he had about 3 reserved posts still remaining so I don't think there would be a problem with that. I was thinking about creating my own guide to spawns based on the other couple that are floating around and linking them all together, but if Epic does that then I won't bother.

Oh and just as a side note, does anyone else feel like this is the same kind of thing that ForgeHub went through a few months back, in standardising everything? It is just really co-incidental that both forums go through the same phase, roughly around the same time.

[nicka]

Well actions speak louder than words. And if the consensus is to make a second sketchup sticky for feedback only(not for adoption), then ya, I don't see why you couldn't creat it. That thread wouldn't need organization like the adoption sticky would. Amp can re-do that thread if he would like to. It is alot to keep up on though. And Ciabatta should re-do his as well. Just make sure that it is known the thread isn't for post whoring and hopefully the mods will enforce it. we have to work together to make this work though.

Yea, i understand completely the amount of work it would be to keep it up and all.
I feel that we need to have better organization and regulation definitely, and the 2 threads for sketchups may be able to do that

[XzampleZZ]

Well actions speak louder than words. And if the consensus is to make a second sketchup sticky for feedback only(not for adoption), then ya, I don't see why you couldn't creat it. That thread wouldn't need organization like the adoption sticky would. Amp can re-do that thread if he would like to. It is alot to keep up on though. And Ciabatta should re-do his as well. Just make sure that it is known the thread isn't for post whoring and hopefully the mods will enforce it. we have to work together to make this work though.I'm for that too for what it's worth.

[Cloud_Skye]

Someone actually wants to clean up this section?

:cry:


I'm so happy...I've been thinking this for a while. Deathstars OP is what I've had in my mind for a while.

On another forum I currently moderate, we had a lot of trouble with threads moving up and down the page and confusing the main topics of the designated section. Alot of un-needed topics were flooding the section (not saying sketchups/designs are unwanted), so a good majority of the community AIM'd and pleaded with the site owner to give us a subsection.

It took a few weeks, but eventually it was done because the community requested it and had very strong opinions to why it would help clean up the clutter compiled into that section.

Hopefully this section can see the same results, but all in all, we just need to make it clear as to why and what usefulness could come by adding another section for the Forge section.

I see plenty of ideas so far in here as it is.

Sorry about rambling, just glad to see everyone here has put plenty of thought into this and I'd like to see the idea succeed, personally.

[HikaruX]

If you post your sketchup in anything other than a thread it won't be seen.

[DeathstarsOG]

Someone actually wants to clean up this section?

:cry:


I'm so happy...I've been thinking this for a while. Deathstars OP is what I've had in my mind for a while.

On another forum I currently moderate, we had a lot of trouble with threads moving up and down the page and confusing the main topics of the designated section. Alot of un-needed topics were flooding the section (not saying sketchups/designs are unwanted), so a good majority of the community AIM'd and pleaded with the site owner to give us a subsection.

It took a few weeks, but eventually it was done because the community requested it and had very strong opinions to why it would help clean up the clutter compiled into that section.

Hopefully this section can see the same results, but all in all, we just need to make it clear as to why and what usefulness could come by adding another section for the Forge section.

I see plenty of ideas so far in here as it is.

Sorry about rambling, just glad to see everyone here has put plenty of thought into this and I'd like to see the idea succeed, personally.
After hearing this, I say we all work together and push toward it. What we could do is keep the forge forum exactly how it is, just cleaned up a bit, then the new sub-forum could be designated for forged maps ONLY. This would give us a section where there are only maps and basically act like a data-base. Any thread that is not a map should be locked/deleted. We could name the sub forum something like: Forge Map Data-base
Can we get Zanno in here? I wanna see what he thinks about this possiblity. Also, who should be contacted? Anakin?

[b0b43]

After hearing this, I say we all work together and push toward it. What we could do is keep the forge forum exactly how it is, just cleaned up a bit, then the new sub-forum could be designated for forged maps ONLY. This would give us a section where there are only maps and basically act like a data-base. Any thread that is not a map should be locked/deleted. We could name the sub forum something like: Forge Map Data-base
Can we get Zanno in here? I wanna see what he thinks about this possiblity. Also, who should be contacted? Anakin?

Yeah, I really like this idea. Just dividing real maps and Sketchups/discussion would really work, and would keep maps on the front page for a long time. I feel that this community needs to get behind someone, and help them to push for a mod position, so we have someone that specialises on this forum. I couldn't really pick out a name, but at least then we would have someone patrolling the forums exclusively for us, with the best of the forge community at mind. Any suggestions for who?

[Cloud_Skye]

Any of MLG's Admins should be the first people you try to contact. They are the ones appointed by the sites owners and can make all changes to the site. But beside just giving them the power to make changes, those appointed as Admins usually talk to the sites owner regarding matters such as this.

Another way I can direct you to making this change would be to ask a Moderator, as well. If the Moderator can see that this thread is getting enough attention (and more users voiced for the change), then I'm sure the next step would be to have the Mod contact an admin.

I'm sure the Mods here have their own specific forum dedicated to them to discuss things between themselves (like a Mods corner like I use on a different site). Most topics like this could be brought there, and even Admins will get the chance to see it or be contacted there as well.

Then, if it becomes a topic they can discuss and all agree that we deserve such a section, changes can be made within the week. That's all on the positive side of the matter.

I hope I have given you the idea and pointed you in the right direction. But know, there are quite a few steps in between and we were fortunate to get our subsection in just a few weeks.

[Zanno]

I asked Demios about getting another subforum and he said that it is "technically impossible", though I'm not sure what this means. I agree that splitting the forum into a mapmaking discussion and a map release forum would do a world of good, but apparently it cannot be done at this time.

I agree that the best short term solution is that sketchups should only go in the sketchup thread, I'll discuss this with the admins next time I see them.

[-Ender-]

I think all of the Forge Forums need to be divided into sections like this:
General Forge Discussion (main forum) - explanations of how to use advanced forging techniques and maps built in Forge (excluding Mythic map pack maps)
Sketchup Designs (sub-forum) - place for discussing maps that have only been sketched, not actually forged
Mythic Maps (temporary sub-forum) - for all the Sandbox, Orbital, and Assembly maps

The Mythic Maps section will just be temporary to prevent the influx of new maps after the DLC maps are released from killing all other maps. Once the rate of maps on the new maps slow down, then this forum can be deleted and all maps can be posted in the General section.


If MLG doesn't want to divide the forums, people should just start using a single thread and all posts without sketchups posted will be deleted. The problem with this might be that the thread would take forever to load with all the pictures people post, plus there will not be anywhere to discuss the sketchups, people will have to PM the person with their thoughts.

[yourself.]

Having the forge area become it's own main forum, and then be sub-divided would work. I'm not sure if they would say that it is possible. I'm sure that the forge forums are still more active than some other forums.

[xCHAMPi0Nx]

Having the forge area become it's own main forum, and then be sub-divided would work. I'm not sure if they would say that it is possible. I'm sure that the forge forums are still more active than some other forums.

I dont understand why it is impossible nor do i understand how forums work. But i do know that a halo wars sub forum was made so why cant we get a sub forum.

And sinse we are discussing things I like to mention something.

I really wish that thread owners would be more responsible of their thread. A lot of times people post ideas or questions about a map which never get answered. There is only one person that does a good job and that is Baron. He addresses each person that had previosly posted in a single post. By doing this all posts are taken in to consideration and it allows people to know if the map owner likes their ideas- to know someone cares. Another suggestion that expnads on this would be a Q/A post right under the first post. This would answer any questions people might ponder up by looking at the pics and reading your desription. Instead of them posting again when the question might have already been taken care of. Questions-Answers-Questions-Answers If we are stuck on the same question with no answer then other questions of importance will not be asked nor answered. It like a typical conversation just forge-a-fyed.

Forge conversation compared to a Regualr conversation of the same nature
Typical Forge --------------- Typical Regular
I dont like the map. -------- I dont like the food.
Why do you not like? ----- Why.....?
I just dont!------------------- I dont like it!

Now you are not helping either person. Let's just say you are talking to your mom in the regular conversation and the food is of a tuna base. The real reason you dont like it is becasue of the tuna. Not saying so hinders you and your mom. Now your mom will make the same mistake of making tuna for dinner. Same goes for forge. if you dont say whats wrong (this includes a reason why) then the same old **** will never go away.

[yourself.]

I really wish that thread owners would be more responsible of their thread. A lot of times people post ideas or questions about a map which never get answered. There is only one person that does a good job and that is Baron. He addresses each person that had previosly posted in a single post. By doing this all posts are taken in to consideration and it allows people to know if the map owner likes their ideas- to know someone cares.


Now it's two. (http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4823884&postcount=60)

[DeathstarsOG]

Now it's two. (http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4823884&postcount=60)
ROFL, I actually adopted Barons way of doing it because it is litterally the most effective.

[Flibaboua]

What about a sticky for completed maps? I know that the Forge Database basically is one, but that one is really kind of cluttered as well. Besides, it's rarely updated, and there are some great competitive maps out there that need to be seen. It could be closed to posters, and reserved strictly for new maps that come out that we would like to play on. Again, I know we have something like that, but that thread...it's rarely updated and there's a lot of spam in there.

Just going along with the theme of cleaning up the forums, that's all :smile:

[_TaK_]

What about a sticky for completed maps? I know that the Forge Database basically is one, but that one is really kind of cluttered as well. Besides, it's rarely updated, and there are some great competitive maps out there that need to be seen. It could be closed to posters, and reserved strictly for new maps that come out that we would like to play on. Again, I know we have something like that, but that thread...it's rarely updated and there's a lot of spam in there.

Just going along with the theme of cleaning up the forums, that's all :smile:

If there is demand for this I will do it.

[yourself.]

If there is demand for this I will do it.

make sure to get kon's permission first

[DeathstarsOG]

make sure to get kon's permission first
This thread would be different than Kon's. Kon's sticky is for what is thought of as the best maps for those designs at the current time. This thread would have to include every single map ever posted, good or bad. While I think it's a good idea, most people stop caring about the bad maps andKon's sticky has a fair amount of the good ones. Really what we need is a sub-forum for completed maps. That way good maps stay longer, and bad maps fall off faster. Also no searching through a bunch of BS threads to find a map. This will help the MLG halo 3 community just as much if not more than it would help us. They would download and play our maps more often if they could find them.

[yourself.]

hopefully with the new forge forum, there will be only completed maps.

We can only hope.

[DimmestBread]

This is an MLG FORGE forum. This can have a variety of meanings. The one I interpret it as is anything to do with forge that is MLG related, which includes sketchups. That means they should have their own thread. anything forge related should technically.

[my pet dinosaur]

baron for president

[Jackass_Jon]

baron for president

qft.

You know they will fight you on this.
Let them come.

[DeathstarsOG]

This is an MLG FORGE forum. This can have a variety of meanings. The one I interpret it as is anything to do with forge that is MLG related, which includes sketchups. That means they should have their own thread. anything forge related should technically.
What is your deal? You argue with EVERYTHING all the time. No matter if it's a good or bad idea. We are trying to clean up the forum a bit. Yes, sketchups are related to forge now because we have made it that way. Why can't we just organize it better?

[MLG_KonArtist]

This thread would be different than Kon's. Kon's sticky is for what is thought of as the best maps for those designs at the current time. This thread would have to include every single map ever posted, good or bad. While I think it's a good idea, most people stop caring about the bad maps andKon's sticky has a fair amount of the good ones. Really what we need is a sub-forum for completed maps. That way good maps stay longer, and bad maps fall off faster. Also no searching through a bunch of BS threads to find a map. This will help the MLG halo 3 community just as much if not more than it would help us. They would download and play our maps more often if they could find them.

If someone want to make a more up to date map data base-- that's fine with me. I do update the main frame when needed-- sorry to say, but there isn't a ton of great maps coming out each week. However, if someone wants to make a new thread that would replace it, go for it.

[DimmestBread]

What is your deal? You argue with EVERYTHING all the time. No matter if it's a good or bad idea. We are trying to clean up the forum a bit. Yes, sketchups are related to forge now because we have made it that way. Why can't we just organize it better?

Your right, I do. Heres why.

Every idea, good or bad Usually has good and bad things that could help it or break it. When people say how good things are, I go in and point out the bad Ideas. Its nothing against the person, or in this case you, personally. Now your idea would probobly work, but I just point out what might not. a sketchup thread wouldn't work because some sketchups may not be seen so they couldn't get commented on, but a sub forum would work.

[_TaK_]

If someone want to make a more up to date map data base-- that's fine with me. I do update the main frame when needed-- sorry to say, but there isn't a ton of great maps coming out each week. However, if someone wants to make a new thread that would replace it, go for it.

I'll talk to some of the regulars around here, see what they want from it and then take a stab at it.