The Best Designer/Forger

[xXbackfireXx]

Technically, i know about all the major forgers around but was wondering who people thought is a) the best designer. b) the best forger.

Personally i see NeXn and Fritzser as the best designers (probably NeXn over Fritz) but i have no idea about forgers. Secondly, i was wondering whether you guys think someone like myself could work out of sketchup and get someone to forge for me. I know about the Adoption thread but no-one seems to actually adopt anything in there.

Conclusion:

People have mixed feelings about Salot. Personally i think Onslaught is plain amazing and is my favourite gametype in the playlist so for that i respect you. Sadly though it seems that your other maps aren't as good as their precursor. This can be especially proven with Evo and even the Crypt version of Onslaught. However that new map called Test looks pretty sweet.

Overall it seems that the community favourite (not best) forger is Baron. The most favoured (not best) designer is NeXn and that people seem to have alot of respect for Fritzster because he pushes the limits of Forge with every map from Amp to Regicide. BTW Did Ignition (or something along those lines) ever get made. I remember seeing the sketchup and it looked sick


Mods feel free to lock now

[xPurPLe]

There are alot of good forgers and designers here. Dont try to label anyone better than anyone else, because forging isnt really a competition in the same way playing halo 3 is.

But Baron is definitely the most clean forger. :P

[Sethiroth87]

baron is overall the best forger ever to walk this planet.

[xXbackfireXx]

I realise that forging isn't a "Competition" but fact is there are people who are going to be better than others

[The_Phuria]

Nicka for both forging and designing. His designs are unique which is great. If you've played Alpine you'd know he can forge just as cleanly as baron.

[Fisty_J]

I have to say that of all of the maps I've downloaded around here, I enjoy maps by Baron the most in pretty much all aspects. Omni, Emperical and Zenith (OMG Zenith should be in v7) are masterpieces. Just my opinion, no disrespect to anyone else.

[AYItzNickAy]

Salot and Nexn are really good at forging on foundry


by the way how do you get those bars like vg the new order fan td fan

[TheEpicCiabatta]

Ciabatta, hands down.

[AYItzNickAy]

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[Neyeseekay]

Wheezy.

[DeathstarsOG]

Salot and Nexn are really good at forging on foundry


by the way how do you get those bars like vg the new order fan td fan
Your joking right?

[nicka]

Your joking right?

Ha, i loled as well.

and Phuria, i really appreciate it.

[SaltytlaS]

Salot and Nexn are really good at forging on foundry


by the way how do you get those bars like vg the new order fan td fan

I'm so tired of people who keep mentioning Salot as one of the top forgers. If you were to ask the top forgers from the forge community, he probably wouldn't even make it in the top 10 forgers! Just because his name is recognized because of Ons doesn't make him one of the top forgers. He didn't even forge the version that MLG uses, Nexn and Kronic smoke did. Trust me people Salot isn't even a good forger! That's why every map he's made since Ons, has been considered a joke and either was very badly forged or horribly designed. SALOT=BAD FORGER!!!!:evil:

[.Regicide]

a) To many, a lot of great designers
b) Fritz is the best imo but others are great as well. Salot, Nexn, Baron, etc, etc, etc are all great

[my pet dinosaur]

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baron wins

(and baron also makes the best puzzle maps ever)

[Hresko1]

I got to meet salot in person

[AMidgetAndAClub]

There is no best. Most of the crap these maniacal map makers come up with, we never see.

Fritzer(sp?) is amazing, Baron is amazing, Kon is amazing, Tak is amazing, etc. I have always thought of myself as a creative person. When I first started messing with Forge, I honestly thought I was going to be good at this. These guys are amazing and the crap they spew out makes my jaw drop.

Everyone has their own styles and thought process. I don't think Salot is horrible.

[Tycoon17]

salot and nexn run foundry like no other

[PohLeR-]

I don't know most of the forgers. I like Nicka, his Alpine map was sweet.

[SaLoT]

I'm so tired of people who keep mentioning Salot as one of the top forgers. If you were to ask the top forgers from the forge community, he probably wouldn't even make it in the top 10 forgers! Just because his name is recognized because of Ons doesn't make him one of the top forgers. He didn't even forge the version that MLG uses, Nexn and Kronic smoke did. Trust me people Salot isn't even a good forger! That's why every map he's made since Ons, has been considered a joke and either was very badly forged or horribly designed. SALOT=BAD FORGER!!!!:evil:


lol!!!!!!!

I am sorry i don't make things pretty...

I take game play over pretty designs any day..

I geo onslaught and to let you know they did minor tweaking on onslaught for mlg and they got rewarded for it...

Funny thing is i put so many months into working on Onslaught and stockpile to be rewarded by bashing from the community that i help and supported...

[xHayZ]

I think the best forgets are the guys who made Amp, but the best designer(i think you're talking about people who make digs in forge) is Legendaryyyyyyy.

[xXsidewind3r]

Baron - Zenith is a really good map

[Tomato_Heinz]

salot is pretty good

[WheezyMoney]

Wheezy.

this guy knows whats up, but seriously. its neXn, bar0n, fritz. top three.

[Radic]

lol!!!!!!!

I am sorry i don't make things pretty...

I take game play over pretty designs any day..

I geo onslaught and to let you know they did minor tweaking on onslaught for mlg and they got rewarded for it...

Funny thing is i put so many months into working on Onslaught and stockpile to be rewarded by bashing from the community that i help and supported...
If anyone tells you you're a bad forger then they're a ****ing retard. Honestly the amount of time that goes into forging a map like Onslaught is unsurpassed by the mass majority of forgers out here. Not only time, but the PATIENCE(sp?) that goes into forging a map on Foundry with all the geo merging and object merging needs to be at a ridiculously high level also. I give props to Salot for putting up with all the jackasses calling him a bad forger and I DARE anyone who doubts his abilities to put out something better.

[b0b43]

O.K., enough with the Salot bashing. It has been done many, many times before. People who never frequent this forum aren't going to know anyone except him and Fritz, and since Amp has a negative connotation with the community, and Onslaught is generally well-liked, people are always going to say he is great.

People who do frequent this forum know that there are many better forgers that can go outside the 2-base design, and go onto create spectacular maps. We know that, and surely the respect of people that do know what they are talking about is worth much more than those who don't.
Salot has produced 2 good maps, which were similar to each other - but one is on the circuit and the other could be as well. The rest are all mediocre, but you do have to give some credit to him, even just a little.

I also find it weird how Salot always manages to find the thread where people start saying that he isn't that great as a forger, but never posts much else. He must lurk a lot.


Anyways, there isn't really the best forger, because it is all opinionated - there is no real way to determine the best of the best. There are a lot of people who are great forgers on this forum. If I did have to pick one person though, Baron produces some of the most mind-blowing maps time and time again. But then again, so do a good 20-odd other people.

[WheezyMoney]

If anyone tells you you're a bad forger then they're a ****ing retard. Honestly the amount of time that goes into forging a map like Onslaught is unsurpassed by the mass majority of forgers out here. Not only time, but the PATIENCE(sp?) that goes into forging a map on Foundry with all the geo merging and object merging needs to be at a ridiculously high level also. I give props to Salot for putting up with all the jackasses calling him a bad forger and I DARE anyone who doubts his abilities to put out something better.

while SaLoT may not be a terrible forger. he is certainly not the best. that is why people are always saying he isnt the best. onslaught is not as impressive as amp or lockdown from a forging perspective, and that's what people need to know. a lot of people think its a great design, and that's fine, but that's all it is. nothing special. amp pushed the boundaries for what most people thought was possible with forge, that is why it is such a good map.

[Sykology]

Salot.
The guy that started it all.
Baron is nasty though.

[o_SteveButabi_o]

TR0LLIN is sick with designing and coming up wit ideas bu he cant forge too good

[I_Knossos_I]

lol!!!!!!!

I am sorry i don't make things pretty...

I take game play over pretty designs any day..

I geo onslaught and to let you know they did minor tweaking on onslaught for mlg and they got rewarded for it...

Funny thing is i put so many months into working on Onslaught and stockpile to be rewarded by bashing from the community that i help and supported...
Excuse me but you mind telling us what the hell youve done for the community since those maps came out?

[Radic]

while SaLoT may not be a terrible forger. he is certainly not the best. that is why people are always saying he isnt the best. onslaught is not as impressive as amp or lockdown from a forging perspective, and that's what people need to know. a lot of people think its a great design, and that's fine, but that's all it is. nothing special. amp pushed the boundaries for what most people thought was possible with forge, that is why it is such a good map.
I never said he was the best I just wanted to point out that he doesn't suck according to other people. I know Amp is an insane map with the geo-merging and stuff but IMO Ons plays better and that's more important to me.

[PulseKiller]

The fact that so many people are saying Salot due to one map is rediculous. Being a good forger isnt just making one lucky map, it is making map after map. So far on Sandbox he has released around 3-4 maps, none of which were very good at all. Myself and PurpleHazen, two relatively unknow forgers, on the other hand have both released what I would consider two good maps in Cynosure and Cryptoline so far in Sandbox. Now I am not saying that these two maps make us insanely better compared to Salot, but if he is the best forger, dont you think he should have a Sandbox map out on the list of talked about maps when he has already released 4?

And Salot, dont get me wrong, I am not saying you are a bad forger, I am just saying that you cannot really be taken too seriously as a top forger when you have honestly only made one good map, and until you make another, I and the rest of the forge community, will not look at you as a top forger and will continue to get angry when others refer to you as one.

Edit: and also, not bashing any forgers who have yet to release a top map, just stating that with Salot already making around 4 maps, atleast 1 of them should be actually good for him to be considered anywhere near a top forger.

[Xrossfade]

There are alot of good forgers and designers here. Dont try to label anyone better than anyone else, because forging isnt really a competition in the same way playing halo 3 is.

But Baron is definitely the most clean forger. :P
there is actually a competition to forgeing just like there is to mlg

[HuLKaGe]

Excuse me but you mind telling us what the hell youve done for the community since those maps came out?

Funny thing is you have done nothing for this community. I think SaLoT is a good forger but not the best, but all you people that are saying he sucks dont realize that some of the best games in H3 have been played on his map while the worst games have been played on Lockdown and Amp. Gameplay over looks and design anyday.

BARON IS THE BEST THOUGH.
Knossos that is a pretty cool map though.

[xXJust MadXx]

I never said he was the best I just wanted to point out that he doesn't suck according to other people. I know Amp is an insane map with the geo-merging and stuff but IMO Ons plays better and that's more important to me.

Yep, and that's all that matters.

[Courage_RunzZ_Halo_3]

i believe that x purplehazen is the best forger ever

[xPurPLe]

i believe that x purplehazen is the best forger ever

<3

Unfortunately, i am not lol.

[INE_xReason]

Whoever designed Grifball is the best forger and designer.

[Zuko501]

PulseKiller is in my top ten. Cynosure is beast.

[Amplefy]

Staff Captains hands down

[Mind Bullets 21]

i have seen to many well constructed maps that I think there is probaly no bes forger

[Dta4]

saLot is the best the ones that actually work for mlg just screw up the maps

[ZoroSeerus]

Funny thing is you have done nothing for this community. I think SaLoT is a good forger but not the best, but all you people that are saying he sucks dont realize that some of the best games in H3 have been played on his map while the worst games have been played on Lockdown and Amp. Gameplay over looks and design anyday.

BARON IS THE BEST THOUGH.
Knossos that is a pretty cool map though.
It's not about what HE'S done for the community you moron. What has SaLoT done? Come up with a map WITH NeXn that is one of THE MOST basic arena maps ever? Suuuuuch a great accomplishment right? LockDown and Amp play better and ARE better. People just need to stop *****ing that they can't spawn trap on them as well as Onslaught. The only reason Onslaught has "fast paced gameplay" but in reality is is "hectic and more random gameplay" and that is because of the ACCIDENTAL spawn trapping like hell and the fact that running flag is incredibly easy on it. LockDown Flag is far superior to Onslaught Flag any day, end of story you dumb sheep.

[intangible1]

Now as it seems that none of the other "top" forgers have posted on here besides Salot who's defending himself, it looks like the "uninformed posters who dont frequent the forge forums" prefer Salot because of the gameplay that his map creates. It seems like everyone else is mad that Salot gets praise for said gameplay and that just because none of his other maps have reached that point since then, that he does not deserve his praise? It seems like many of these "unknown forgers" that make these "ridiculously well forged and nice looking maps" are mad that they cant get exposure when theyre better than Salot.. Seems like if u designed towards gameplay first, scenic routes second, maybe then u could get a map into MLG, unless thats not your goal and you prefer to make maps that people enjoy playing on and looking at, but that will never be good competitively.

Also, if someone came out of nowhere and designed something very well but couldnt ever get back into that echelon of designing, does that mean that said person does not deserve recognition? So must everyone's work be at this "high level of forging" that they must be so "well designed and forged that every map they come out with instantly get so much praise"? Seems like UMAD cuz Salot styles on u and u cant get ur map recognized by the community enough to get into MLG. Not to take away from every1 who puts their time and effort to map making, but not everything is gonna be in MLG and just because its forged nicely and its something uve never seen before doesnt mean its good for MLG. Seems like maybe u guys need a new community to discuss this in if you're not interested in making MLG type maps that should focus on gameplay and not the precise neatness that you guys hold so dear to your hearts.

/end rant


LOLLLLL

[ZeRo_FrM_xREBx]

Bungie.

[The_Raging_Beast]

Holy **** all this needs to stop. Stop making retarded threads for attention backfire OP guy. Read the forum rules. And people that aren't even a part of these forums come in here and start ****, but then say "What have you contributed to communitay?" seriously bungie just gtfo.

as for Salot also shut the **** up about him.

And there is no best forger, there are those forgers that have certain and unique things about the way they make maps, but no best forger. Anyone that's posted a good map or design here should be respected. I'll just throw some out there:
baron, nexn, fritzster, runnerai, zonked, purplehazen, hezbolla hector, pulsekiller, phuria, nicka, zoro, sticky, Kon artist, black death, zanno, wheezy, tak, sethiroth, upsilon, Cypher, bnasty, epic ciabatta, and pretty much anyone whos not salot.

stop making random threads, im sure everyone does it trying to get into the forge forum, i did it, but not no mo ho

[Oakland]

baron is overall the best forger ever to walk this planet.
Are you baron? Suspicious..

[Mac4br3]

I think that Salot has designed a map that's good for fast-paced MLG style gameplay. However, his designing and forging abilities are far surpassed by those such as Fritzer, Purplehazen, Pulsekiller, and Baron. Correct me if im wrong, but the OP asked who is the best forger and designer, and IMO that is not Salot.

Edit: forgot to mention Nexn; hes good too

[Decabo]

Excuse me but you mind telling us what the hell youve done for the community since those maps came out?

Look, forging in Halo 3 isn't Salot's job. He has no obligation to keep entertaining you or anyone else. He puts out a great map that has had more effect on MLG than any other forged map, and that fact that he's getting attacked by ungrateful pricks is shameful to a community as big as this one. If someone wants to put out one great map and move on with their lives, let them do it. Then he can go back to being the Emperor of Forge and you can go back to putting two double boxes on top of each other and calling it "Xtreme Tower of n00b pwning!!!"

[intangible1]

Holy **** all this needs to stop. Stop making retarded threads for attention backfire OP guy. Read the forum rules. And people that aren't even a part of these forums come in here and start ****, but then say "What have you contributed to communitay?" seriously bungie just gtfo.

as for Salot also shut the **** up about him.

And there is no best forger, there are those forgers that have certain and unique things about the way they make maps, but no best forger. Anyone that's posted a good map or design here should be respected. I'll just throw some out there:
baron, nexn, fritzster, runnerai, zonked, purplehazen, hezbolla hector, pulsekiller, phuria, nicka, zoro, sticky, Kon artist, black death, zanno, wheezy, tak, sethiroth, upsilon, Cypher, bnasty, epic ciabatta, and pretty much anyone whos not salot.

stop making random threads, im sure everyone does it trying to get into the forge forum, i did it, but not no mo ho


Lol, why should they be respected and not Salot and the other creators whose work you may have not seen? Just because some of the maps are pretty or look like they could be good? I understand respecting them for their work and time, but u throw names out and say "these guys should", "salot (insert unknowns here) should not"..

Brings me to the second bold, use hypocrisy much? "Guys, i did this and now that i dont need to do it anymore, no one else should do it" lol.. Really? Why dont we just leave the forge forum to showing pictures of your "pretty little maps" and forget discussing who can be considered good and what constitutes a good map from a gameplay view and then an aesthetic view.

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[RevivaL.]

BRaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaKe. nuff said.

[b0b43]

Now as it seems that none of the other "top" forgers have posted on here besides Salot who's defending himself, it looks like the "uninformed posters who dont frequent the forge forums" prefer Salot because of the gameplay that his map creates. It seems like everyone else is mad that Salot gets praise for said gameplay and that just because none of his other maps have reached that point since then, that he does not deserve his praise? It seems like many of these "unknown forgers" that make these "ridiculously well forged and nice looking maps" are mad that they cant get exposure when theyre better than Salot.. Seems like if u designed towards gameplay first, scenic routes second, maybe then u could get a map into MLG, unless thats not your goal and you prefer to make maps that people enjoy playing on and looking at, but that will never be good competitively.

Also, if someone came out of nowhere and designed something very well but couldnt ever get back into that echelon of designing, does that mean that said person does not deserve recognition? So must everyone's work be at this "high level of forging" that they must be so "well designed and forged that every map they come out with instantly get so much praise"? Seems like UMAD cuz Salot styles on u and u cant get ur map recognized by the community enough to get into MLG. Not to take away from every1 who puts their time and effort to map making, but not everything is gonna be in MLG and just because its forged nicely and its something uve never seen before doesnt mean its good for MLG. Seems like maybe u guys need a new community to discuss this in if you're not interested in making MLG type maps that should focus on gameplay and not the precise neatness that you guys hold so dear to your hearts.

/end rant


LOLLLLL

O.K. Firstly, people get angry because of people like you who know nothing about this forum that come in here and act like they know everything. Try downloading Cynosure, Cryptoline, Zenith, Regicide, Omni, Calibre, etc. - or take a look at the fileshares of those people that The Raging Beast mentioned. Then play on all those maps. Then, you may have a little bit of credibility in what you say.

Onslaught is a simple map. If I was to review it, I would say it has predictable spawning, few height variations and linear gameplay. If it was never to have made the circuit, and posted on these forums today, and if no one knew who Salot was, it might get a couple of pages of replies before falling off the forum. It is a good map - but the fact of the matter is that there are much better maps which are much more competitive which deserve just as much attention as Salot gets.

Now your comment on focusing on aesthetics is just ignorant. First of all, try playing the maps. Then comment about the competiveness of them. I can tell you now that a lot of them are much more competitive than Onslaught will ever be. I am not going to bash Onslaught here because, again, it is a good map, but more than half of the good maps on this forum have more competitive value than Onslaught will, simply because of the design and gameplay of the map.

We know that not every map is going to get the attention they deserve. What annoys everyone here is when people like you come into a thread, declare that Salot is the greatest forger and everyone else just makes maps for the aesthetic value alone. Try playing on some of the maps, and come back when you have gained a bit of maturity.

[Blanked.]

Baron, Nexn and Pulsekiller are definitely my fav forgers.
Zenith and Cynosure are the amazingness and Nexn is just awesome at everything forge related.

[DeeVVeeZy]

forger=lahja

[Radic]

I just wanted to add something. Would anyone be opposed if instead of referring to forge as forge if we referred to it as "frustrating"? For example this thread would be called The Best Designer/Frustrater, you don't forge maps, you frustrate them, Nexn has frustrated many good maps. Anyone who has used forge, sorry, frustrating, will understand why we should refer to it thusly.

[SaLoT]

The fact that so many people are saying Salot due to one map is rediculous. Being a good forger isnt just making one lucky map, it is making map after map. So far on Sandbox he has released around 3-4 maps, none of which were very good at all. Myself and PurpleHazen, two relatively unknow forgers, on the other hand have both released what I would consider two good maps in Cynosure and Cryptoline so far in Sandbox. Now I am not saying that these two maps make us insanely better compared to Salot, but if he is the best forger, dont you think he should have a Sandbox map out on the list of talked about maps when he has already released 4?

And Salot, dont get me wrong, I am not saying you are a bad forger, I am just saying that you cannot really be taken too seriously as a top forger when you have honestly only made one good map, and until you make another, I and the rest of the forge community, will not look at you as a top forger and will continue to get angry when others refer to you as one.

Edit: and also, not bashing any forgers who have yet to release a top map, just stating that with Salot already making around 4 maps, atleast 1 of them should be actually good for him to be considered anywhere near a top forger.

I never said i was the best...

I just don't like people bashing me over stupid ****....

I don't care who is good or not...

[kevkillakev]

I got to meet salot in person

that card of strongside is hilarious

[SaLoT]

I got to meet salot in person


I will be at the next event so if your there say hi to me...

[SpencerReid]

baron is overall the best forger ever to walk this planet.

this kid right here is up there for best forger/ map designer.

[HuLKaGe]

It's not about what HE'S done for the community you moron. What has SaLoT done? Come up with a map WITH NeXn that is one of THE MOST basic arena maps ever? Suuuuuch a great accomplishment right? LockDown and Amp play better and ARE better. People just need to stop *****ing that they can't spawn trap on them as well as Onslaught. The only reason Onslaught has "fast paced gameplay" but in reality is is "hectic and more random gameplay" and that is because of the ACCIDENTAL spawn trapping like hell and the fact that running flag is incredibly easy on it. LockDown Flag is far superior to Onslaught Flag any day, end of story you dumb sheep.

Ok calm down. LD and amp look better but saying that amp plays better then ons. is kinda stretching it. All im saying is people that have yet to do anything for forging or MLG need to stop with the SaLoT hate. THAT IS ALL.

[BlackDeath10]

Ok now, i don't want to post on this thread and promote it but here we go.

On Salot,

Things need to be taken into consideration when talking about him.

-Positives
Salot is the first person to have forge maps put into the pro circuit, laying major foundations for the forge community. Salot's map Onslaught has been an example of what a true MLG map should be like, he could be considered the pioneer of 2 base maps.

-Negatives
Since the release fo Onslaught, Salot has yet to release a good map. The sandbox maps Salot has released are very poor quality, releasing map after map with slopping geometry and poor game play. Salot seems to be using his fame to gain attention for his maps.

-Conslusion
looking at all of this i can come to one conclusion, Salot use to be one of the best forgers in the game. He has done allot for the MLG Forge community and deserves respect for that. Salot has fallen behind as a forger, and is no longer a top forger with in the community. The fact still remains though, Salot has done allot for the community, but he should not be given a break because of that.

Salot your a good man and i thank you for what you have done for this community, but i cannot ignore everything else because of that.

[Kobashi]

In my opinion it's Baron. He has made a variety of maps that I enjoy and all are very functional when released with attention paid to aesthetics and gameplay. Also he's created two of my absolute favorite maps with Reverence and Zenith. I think I've run over a 100+ custom games on each map individually. So to me that makes Baron my personal "Best" forger.

[SaLoT]

Ok now, i don't want to post on this thread and promote it but here we go.

On Salot,

Things need to be taken into consideration when talking about him.

-Positives
Salot is the first person to have forge maps put into the pro circuit, laying major foundations for the forge community. Salot's map Onslaught has been an example of what a true MLG map should be like, he could be considered the pioneer of 2 base maps.

-Negatives
Since the release fo Onslaught, Salot has yet to release a good map. The sandbox maps Salot has released are very poor quality, releasing map after map with slopping geometry and poor game play. Salot seems to be using his fame to gain attention for his maps.

-Conslusion
looking at all of this i can come to one conclusion, Salot use to be one of the best forgers in the game. He has done allot for the MLG Forge community and deserves respect for that. Salot has fallen behind as a forger, and is no longer a top forger with in the community. The fact still remains though, Salot has done allot for the community, but he should not be given a break because of that.

Salot your a good man and i thank you for what you have done for this community, but i cannot ignore everything else because of that.

HUH?

Ok i put out 2 maps

Evo was garbage i scarp it..

Crypt i have ove 2,000 downloads...

And thats it...

Funny thing is it took a lot off bad maps and mistakes to make Onslaught...

Weird huh...

Also if i put a map out and it gets attention because of my name then its not my fault...

Can some one please define tribute to the community please....

Since i have no idea what that actually defines or means....

[The_Phuria]

Salots not the greatest forger. He just enjoys forging let him do his thing. Onslaught was a good map at it's time of forge. To people who say us forgers just use techniques Salot has came up with, interlocking has been around since pre-DLC, in fact I learned to interlock on Last Resort, geo-merging was not found by Salot someone else found it, from what I understand Amplified was the first map that used geo-merging.

Onslaught made it into MLG because they were looking for that type of map(fast paced arena) since there was none in default Halo 3, they won't take it out because they've grown to love it most likely.

The thing that makes us forgers mad(or atleast me:) ) is that when we post a new map we've worked hard on, we get little to none downloads/feedback, but when Salot posts a new map that looks like he made in 5 minutes he get's tons of views and comments.

Aesthetics? You want aesthetics go to Forgehub. Here we choose gamplay over aesthetics any day. If I can add in a nice aesthetic that doesn't affect gameplay at all, sure I'll add it in but gameplay first. Now with Sandbox we can add in aesthetics without hindering gameplay.:)

Edit: I in know way mean it's Salot's fault his maps get attention, it's the peoples fault. I hate to see a great map get overlooked by an okay map, but there's really nothing we can do about the sheep that suck up, and only check these forums when they see Salot released a map.

[ZakyJimyCocoPop]

Any forger that had nothing to do with Onslaught is a good forger IMO.

[THC28]

Salot

Onslaught is the best.

[UnknOWNBAMF]

I will be at the next event so if your there say hi to me...

You should IM me on AIM sometime, look @ my profile for it. I would love to get as many people to my LAN before cbus as possible.

[DimmestBread]

for designer: At MLG, I would say kon artist. But out of anyone, I think cosmic rick is the best designer

[Neatohh]

SaLoT or Baron are my favorite forgers, but there is no best forger here, they all come up with some pretty sweet stuff.

[LuBE-]

Wheezy is the best!

[I_Knossos_I]

this kid right here is up there for best forger/ map designer.
I agree, seth is the best designer imo but i think barons cleanliness on his maps is unrivaled, and his designs are pretty good too.

[I_Knossos_I]

Funny thing is you have done nothing for this community.
BARON IS THE BEST THOUGH.
Knossos that is a pretty cool map though.
And how do you back up that statement? You can ask any forger on my friends list (seth, raging, zoro, kronic, pulse, sticky, soloist, etc.) about me and i guarantee you they will tell you i contribute to the community. I give people feedback on designs, i playtest, i forge my own maps, and i help others forge maps (seth, sticky, raging). Next time dont make an assumption that im bad just because i criticize someone who you may like.

Thanks for the good comment about titanous though...

[Sethiroth87]

Originally Posted by SpencerReid
this kid right here is up there for best forger/ map designer.

I like this guy

I also like Hector

I would like to say that Salot thanks for making onslaught and only onslaught.

Baron is the best hands down, Nexn has great designs also and Fritzer is always pushing forge every time he releases maps.

[Zanno]

Now as it seems that none of the other "top" forgers have posted on here besides Salot who's defending himself, it looks like the "uninformed posters who dont frequent the forge forums" prefer Salot because of the gameplay that his map creates. It seems like everyone else is mad that Salot gets praise for said gameplay and that just because none of his other maps have reached that point since then, that he does not deserve his praise? It seems like many of these "unknown forgers" that make these "ridiculously well forged and nice looking maps" are mad that they cant get exposure when theyre better than Salot.. Seems like if u designed towards gameplay first, scenic routes second, maybe then u could get a map into MLG, unless thats not your goal and you prefer to make maps that people enjoy playing on and looking at, but that will never be good competitively.

Also, if someone came out of nowhere and designed something very well but couldnt ever get back into that echelon of designing, does that mean that said person does not deserve recognition? So must everyone's work be at this "high level of forging" that they must be so "well designed and forged that every map they come out with instantly get so much praise"? Seems like UMAD cuz Salot styles on u and u cant get ur map recognized by the community enough to get into MLG. Not to take away from every1 who puts their time and effort to map making, but not everything is gonna be in MLG and just because its forged nicely and its something uve never seen before doesnt mean its good for MLG. Seems like maybe u guys need a new community to discuss this in if you're not interested in making MLG type maps that should focus on gameplay and not the precise neatness that you guys hold so dear to your hearts.

/end rant


LOLLLLLNo, it's because Salot didn't make onslaught by himself, it was a 3-way project between him, Nexn, and KC. Then he turns around and whores all the glory for himself. This is the short version of why nobody in the know respects him, I can absolutely guarantee you he could make the best, most exact replica of midship ever and MLG still won't use it because of how much bad blood there is between him and the company now.

[SaLoT]

No, it's because Salot didn't make onslaught by himself, it was a 3-way project between him, Nexn, and KC. Then he turns around and whores all the glory for himself. This is the short version of why nobody in the know respects him, I can absolutely guarantee you he could make the best, most exact replica of midship ever and MLG still won't use it because of how much bad blood there is between him and the company now.


Well zanno the moderator or not i will stand and allow you to talk mad trash with out me rebuttal you...

First off you have no idea why the blood is bad between me and MLG.

And the project started with me and nexn and then hour later that ended.

Then 3 months later who is still working on it non stop with Kc feedback.....

Now before you start bashing people know your facts.

The reason there bad blood is because i ask to be ship out to the opening of meadowland and the opening of Onslaught ( since i did work on a map for MLG aka stockpile ) and they laugh at me and thats was that...

Kc said i got fame no i got a headache. I got non stop bashing from people now MLG moderates.

I am the one that put countless hours on that map so you better not try to discredit me ever again!!!

[BFP_StiCky]

The ancient incas were the best forgers.http://www.losmejoresdestinos.com/destinos/peru/machu_picchu/machu_picchu.jpg

[n0tjack]

Most Successful Forger- SaLot
Best Forger- Whoever made Onslaught
Best Designer- Whoever designed Onslaught

In all seriousness thought this sect-forging (punsry) competition really turns the forge forums into a cesspool of lameness and rare utility.

[Zanno]

Kc said i got fame no i got a headache. I got non stop bashing from people now MLG moderates.I'm not trash talking you, I'm stating facts which are public knowledge. I don't even dislike you, but you've yet to prove you can make a competition worthy map on your own. That's all you need to do in order to salvage your reputation and you haven't done it yet.

[The_Phuria]

The ancient incas were the best forgers.http://www.losmejoresdestinos.com/destinos/peru/machu_picchu/machu_picchu.jpg


True,true but the coastal natives were some of the best aesthetic forgers imo.

http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu78/Phuria/NativeAmericansTotemPoles.jpg

[I_Knossos_I]

http://pyramidportal.org/pyramids.jpg

I was liking the Egypts, their sense of scale was teh pwnage, like me.

[SaLoT]

I'm not trash talking you, I'm stating facts which are public knowledge. I don't even dislike you, but you've yet to prove you can make a competition worthy map on your own. That's all you need to do in order to salvage your reputation and you haven't done it yet.


Show me one forger thats done it on there own...


Now feedback and opinions count as helping...

[SiqK]

Show me one forger thats done it on there own...


Now feedback and opinions count as helping...
Sure, you did work on onslaught, but you are stealing the credit from people who helped you. That is why people get angry at you.

People do not make maps by themselves, yes, true. However they also do not take all the credit and claim they are the only ones who made the map.

KC does SO much for MLG and deserves credit for any and all he did on onslaught.

DRAMA aside...

Onslaught is not that great of forging...no offense to those who worked on it, because it is amazing fun to play on, but lets be honest, it is a simple map.

Many other maps have MUCH MUCH more advanced forging, so people saying "the guys who made onslaught are the best forgers" when honestly, no not necessarily the best solely based off that map.

[SaLoT]

Sure, you did work on onslaught, but you are stealing the credit from people who helped you. That is why people get angry at you.

People do not make maps by themselves, yes, true. However they also do not take all the credit and claim they are the only ones who made the map.

KC does SO much for MLG and deserves credit for any and all he did on onslaught.

DRAMA aside...

Onslaught is not that great of forging...no offense to those who worked on it, because it is amazing fun to play on, but lets be honest, it is a simple map.

Many other maps have MUCH MUCH more advanced forging, so people saying "the guys who made onslaught are the best forgers" when honestly, no not necessarily the best solely based off that map.


Name one time i said i did all the work without any help...?

Kc gets credit he receives a paycheck from MLG so thats his job...

[SiqK]

Name one time i said i did all the work without any help...?

Kc gets credit he receives a paycheck from MLG so thats his job...


Alright, I will name one time that you said this, "Jefferey."


Done.

[xXbackfireXx]

Holy *****. I made this thread before i went to bed and i come back, its on the front page but all it is is Salot bashing. Please let this thread die as i'm quite ashamed that i made it. I mean seriously, its got kore views than Crptoline and thats just plain unfair

[TheEpicCiabatta]

Baron, Pulse, Zanno, Tak, Wheezy, Purple, Nexn, Fritz, Nasty, Nicka, and not Zoroseerus (lol).

[ssshakedown]

Baron, Pulse, Zanno, Tak, Wheezy, Purple, Nexn, Fritz, Nasty, Nicka, and not Zoroseerus (lol).
I don't know, Zoro's latest rendition of Midship was looking pretty promising.:)

[Jackass_Jon]

Can we got a mod to change the title to Baron is the best designer/forger EVARRRRR!!!!

New thread anyone? ;)

[DeathstarsOG]

First off, I'm gonna cry cause I didn't make anyones list.

Second off if you want facts, the FACT is Baron, Fritzster and Nexn are the top 3 MLG forgers period. I couldn't pick one that is better over the other because there level of talent far surpasses the rest of us. Then there is a large group of about 10-15 people that also put out consistently good maps as well.
To the remark about making maps by yourself, that is BS. In order to make a good map, you need other peoples opinions no matter how good you think it is. Most of us here have high standards, so when I say "good", I mean a map that is going to stay on my hard drive for a long time.
I've seen the map that Baron is working on right now and can tell you it is going to raise the bar yet again for forged maps.
As far as forge being a competetition....well it is. We are constantly coming up with new ideas to push the system to new found limits. With out this competetive factor, we would all be making crap infection maps for 8 year old squeek boxes to play on. And everyones goal is to make a map worthy of MLG, so it is necessary for constructive criticism to take place in order to inch that much closer to a perfect map.
Being a forger isn't the best gig either. We spend countless hours of our time into forging these creations for little to no credit. And when someone does what Salot has, thats when we get upset. He made one simple map that wasn't even forged well and is revered by all these outsiders of the forge community as the "forge god". Yet he hasn't made a good map since. For how long he's been in this game, his track record isn't very good and noone likes him to tell you the truth. I'd say in the MLG community he's probably not even in the Top 20 forgers.
Anyways, rant over....

[TheEpicCiabatta]

First off, I'm gonna cry cause I didn't make anyones list.

You would've made mine, but I forgot about you because you're never around :/

[JD326]

Top 5


1. NeXn
2. Baron
3. Ninja Shizoku
4. Fritzster
5. Kon Artist

[SaLoT]

First off, I'm gonna cry cause I didn't make anyones list.

Second off if you want facts, the FACT is Baron, Fritzster and Nexn are the top 3 MLG forgers period. I couldn't pick one that is better over the other because there level of talent far surpasses the rest of us. Then there is a large group of about 10-15 people that also put out consistently good maps as well.
To the remark about making maps by yourself, that is BS. In order to make a good map, you need other peoples opinions no matter how good you think it is. Most of us here have high standards, so when I say "good", I mean a map that is going to stay on my hard drive for a long time.
I've seen the map that Baron is working on right now and can tell you it is going to raise the bar yet again for forged maps.
As far as forge being a competetition....well it is. We are constantly coming up with new ideas to push the system to new found limits. With out this competetive factor, we would all be making crap infection maps for 8 year old squeek boxes to play on. And everyones goal is to make a map worthy of MLG, so it is necessary for constructive criticism to take place in order to inch that much closer to a perfect map.
Being a forger isn't the best gig either. We spend countless hours of our time into forging these creations for little to no credit. And when someone does what Salot has, thats when we get upset. He made one simple map that wasn't even forged well and is revered by all these outsiders of the forge community as the "forge god". Yet he hasn't made a good map since. For how long he's been in this game, his track record isn't very good and noone likes him to tell you the truth. I'd say in the MLG community he's probably not even in the Top 20 forgers.
Anyways, rant over....

I agree people should get more credit...

But should not bash me because i supposedly get more hits...

Its not fair to judge me and bash me when i really don't do nothing wrong is just make a map..

This thread started right and then started bashing me when my name was nominated.

The people started hating on me and that's when i responded....

ya i use to put more maps out then anyone here... I just got tired of it after the bashing first started..

When me and nexn map got pick up and even if i forge alone all that time with feedback from not only kc but from others.. the community went from helping one and another to a freaking contest... So when that happened i kinda went off the radar..


But i will return and keep putting maps out until i find that next great map idea that will find well i hope.....

[SaltytlaS]

First off, I'm gonna cry cause I didn't make anyones list.

Second off if you want facts, the FACT is Baron, Fritzster and Nexn are the top 3 MLG forgers period. I couldn't pick one that is better over the other because there level of talent far surpasses the rest of us. Then there is a large group of about 10-15 people that also put out consistently good maps as well.
To the remark about making maps by yourself, that is BS. In order to make a good map, you need other peoples opinions no matter how good you think it is. Most of us here have high standards, so when I say "good", I mean a map that is going to stay on my hard drive for a long time.
I've seen the map that Baron is working on right now and can tell you it is going to raise the bar yet again for forged maps.
As far as forge being a competetition....well it is. We are constantly coming up with new ideas to push the system to new found limits. With out this competetive factor, we would all be making crap infection maps for 8 year old squeek boxes to play on. And everyones goal is to make a map worthy of MLG, so it is necessary for constructive criticism to take place in order to inch that much closer to a perfect map.
Being a forger isn't the best gig either. We spend countless hours of our time into forging these creations for little to no credit. And when someone does what Salot has, thats when we get upset. He made one simple map that wasn't even forged well and is revered by all these outsiders of the forge community as the "forge god". Yet he hasn't made a good map since. For how long he's been in this game, his track record isn't very good and noone likes him to tell you the truth. I'd say in the MLG community he's probably not even in the Top 20 forgers.
Anyways, rant over....


Did I ever tell you I love you DeathStar? I don't think I could have said it any better then you did in this post.

[zakboo]

:cry:

[nicka]

zakboo ;)

[Lultam]

I haven't played a ton of forged maps outside the maps that were candidates for v6 and a few new sandbox maps but the coolest designer I've seen is deathstar, Unleashed is the coolest concept for any map I've played on as well as the fact that it's a ton of fun to play too.

[Dublehustle]

Unfortunately, i am not lol.
I personally love your map Cryptoline and think you should be a top forger.

[Fartwell]

1) Baron
2) FeiGn
3) NeXn
4) Fritzster
5) SaLoT (variable map standard though)

Deathstars and K0N weren't far off though.